Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

[Takhisis]

A few interesting tidbits (no paywall):
Why King Charles will pay zero inheritance tax on the Queen's private fortune (not the public fortune, but the other one) - also, Prince William becomes one of the largest landowners in the UK and securing a 21-million-pound yearly income from it.
Prince Harry banned from wearing military uniform at Queen vigil but exception made for Andrew (pædo public image unlimited)
Man threatened with arrest for holding up a blank piece of paper at Parliament Square
Monarchy in the UK!

 

[Birdjaguar]

A few interesting tidbits (no paywall):
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Man threatened with arrest for holding up a blank piece of paper at Parliament Square

"Police demanded the details of a man who held up a “blank piece of paper” outside parliament, amid a string of arrests targeting anti-monarchy protesters.
Paul Powlesland, who is a barrister, filmed his interaction with an officer who claimed that the sign “may offend” people if he wrote “not my King” on it."

So was he actually arrested or is the headline misleading?

 

[Lexicus]

"Police demanded the details of a man who held up a “blank piece of paper” outside parliament, amid a string of arrests targeting anti-monarchy protesters.
Paul Powlesland, who is a barrister, filmed his interaction with an officer who claimed that the sign “may offend” people if he wrote “not my King” on it."

So was he actually arrested or is the headline misleading?

The headline says "threatened with arrest", not "arrested"

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It is funny in a sad way, since you are part of a forum dedicated to a game which has Republic as a form of government.

I almost never use Republic (or the ToT Lalande/Midgard equivalent) in my Civ games. It's a headache I don't need.

A few interesting tidbits (no paywall):
Why King Charles will pay zero inheritance tax on the Queen's private fortune (not the public fortune, but the other one) - also, Prince William becomes one of the largest landowners in the UK and securing a 21-million-pound yearly income from it.
Prince Harry banned from wearing military uniform at Queen vigil but exception made for Andrew (pædo public image unlimited)
Man threatened with arrest for holding up a blank piece of paper at Parliament Square
Monarchy in the UK!

So Andrew gets to wear his uniform and wants to dress as an admiral (even though he isn't one), yet Harry doesn't get to?

That's not right.

 

[AmazonQueen]

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@Lexicus Ok there's a few more examples to dig into there:
In Scotland, police arrested a woman holding a sign that said "fudge imperialism, abolish the monarchy" outside St. Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh, where Queen Elizabeth II's coffin is lying at rest
- where her coffin is, being the key there.
The police did mention her behavior and not her sign was the issue, so there's more to the story there. Either the police are telling the truth or they messed up and she was fine standing at the spot she was standing and are covering for themselves.

The guy who got arrested during a county proclamation in Oxford certainly looks like the police screwed up, complete with the hilarious word "de-arrested" when they were called out on it lol.

My point was to say that actually in America we have very little rights in practice when it comes to protesting. I think it's a very big problem and I didn't like (as it appeared to me) that a video of a heckler being led away from a funeral was being used as a red herring example. It was in reply to your post and you did like it, so please forgive me dearly for conflating your post with it.

Our government is doing its best to strip away our rights to protest but that bill isn't law yet.
These arrests are very heavy-handed for non-violent protest by a few individuals. The police "screwing" up isn't unknown. They got the guy in Oxford off the streets and out of circulation for a few hours, unless hes got a lot of money to take them to court nothing more will come of it, so from their pov it worked.

 

[drewisfat]

There is that issue, when the police screw up they basically have to screw up x100 before they actually face consequences and can have already accomplished their aim. You know who's even worse than the police in this regard though? Your average security personnel / bodyguards. Basically entirely unchecked and everyone gives them the benefit of the doubt whenever they act.

 

[really]

Nope. The current line of succession:

Charles
William
George
Charlotte
Louis
Harry
Archie
Lilibet
Andrew
etc.

The crown passes from parent to child in order of age, and siblings only get to inherit if their elder sibling dies childless. Every new child born pushes the rest of them down one step.

By the time they get through William's children, you get to Harry and his children, and by that time (assuming it's not a King Ralph situation where everyone is killed at once), Andrew should be safely dead. We will never need to worry about him on the throne.

Imagine William deciding to fly his three kids to visit uncle Harry and their cousins who are on the landing pad to welcome them, tragedy occurs, bobs your uncle and Andrew is next in line.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Remove the monarchy, and get the same capitalist oligarchy hierarchy as it is but with less responsibilities.

Might be, they even cede Australia to China, finally. And the Aussie authorities would ease covid totalitarianism when the local folks are loyal enough to the Chinese .

 

[Samson]

The guy who got arrested during a county proclamation in Oxford certainly looks like the police screwed up, complete with the hilarious word "de-arrested" when they were called out on it lol.

Dearrested is a thing they do quite a lot. Not being able to state the crime for which he is being arrested for I thing makes it an unlawful arrest.

 

[EnglishEdward]

The fact that someone is de-arrested, does not mean that it was unlawful.

The police may arrest on suspicion, and release if they think they may not get a conviction.

Worth thinking about likely police room interviews.

"I did not break any law". "You are breaking the law by arresting me".

"There were two of you and two hundred monarchists out there."
"We can not arrest two hundred monarchists, but by taking you into
custody, we think we saved you from getting a right proper kicking."

 

[sophie]

True, the French still have the Louvre, Versailles, Tuilleries, and the fleurs-de-lis everywhere.

Notably, without the need to house the royal family, you can actually do something useful with the obtrusive royal residences, like turn them into gardens and museums that actually benefit the public concretely in addition to being big tourist draws.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Well, for centuries, nobility and royalty would only breed amongst themselves. It was only really in the 20th Century that that was no longer true on a wide scale and the chance of ethnic Britons being descended from royalty rocketed sky-high.

Googling the 'Hapsburg Jaw' is quite the experience.

king charles the turd lmao

My friend heard that somewhere and now it's everywhere.

 

[Kyriakos]

"There were two of you and two hundred monarchists out there."
"We can not arrest two hundred monarchists, but by taking you into
custody, we think we saved you from getting a right proper kicking."

One would think the police's job would be to prevent violence done against someone who is just talking or holding a sign. Or, if violence occurred, arrest those who were violent. Certainly it's not the police's job to treat the "monarchists" as a social ally and play off them.

 

[GenMarshall]

Googling the 'Hapsburg Jaw' is quite the experience.

“Mummy said it’s a strong chin for a strong boy!!” - Charles V

 

[EnglishEdward]

One would think the police's job would be to prevent violence done against someone who is just talking or holding a sign.

Context is important.

If someone turns up at a gay pride rally with a sign saying "all gays and lesbians will burn in hell";
one expects the police will arrest that person to prevent violence being done against that person.

 

[Kyriakos]

Context is important.

If someone turns up at a gay pride rally with a sign saying "all gays and lesbians will burn in hell";
one expects the police will arrest that person to prevent violence being done against that person.

The norm is to have police between rival groups, and it is easier when it is just one person (place pigs around them ^_^ )
The royals aren't a protected minority either, if context is so important.

 

[sophie]

If someone turns up at a gay pride rally with a sign saying "all gays and lesbians will burn in hell";
one expects the police will arrest that person to prevent violence being done against that person.

lol. lmao.

Anti-trans group allowed to lead Pride in London march after hijack

Pride in London has been "hijacked" by a group of anti-transgender campaigners who forced their way to the front of the march.

www.pinknews.co.uk

Speaking to PinkNews, one of the women said: “We want to get the L out of Pride, a man cannot be a lesbian, a person with a penis cannot be a lesbian.” She purported that there was “a lot of sympathy in the crowd” for this view, despite boos and shouts of “shame” at the group.

Another marcher said: “Men are saying they are trans, they are lesbians and they pressure lesbians to have sex with them.”

Asked in what way this happened, she stated that she and others had been called TERFs (Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminists) online.

There were several altercations between the women and other LGBT people at the event as the marched, with many angered that Pride was being led by a group seeking to exclude trans people.

One of the people involved in the confrontation told PinkNews “They hate trans people, they hate sex workers … they are just as bad as bigots saying gay people go to hell. It’s disgusting, this is a problem with what Pride has become.

Anti-trans protestors march in front of Manchester Pride parade, leaving trans women 'worried about safety'

Police and organisers effectively allowed a group of anti-trans protestors to lead Manchester Pride's parade after they hijacked the front of the march.

www.pinknews.co.uk

The group of between 10 and 14 protestors – mostly lesbians – gatecrashed the front of the march on Saturday, August 24, carrying banners reading “lesbians don’t have penises” and “gender ideology harms lesbians”.

The protest was organised by anti-trans body GetTheLOut, the same group that hijacked the front of Pride in London’s parade in 2018.


Tara Hewitt, a trans woman and co-founder of Trans Equality Legal Initiative, told PinkNews that she was left concerned for her safety after she went to watch the Manchester Pride parade for the first time with her partner, who is also a transgender woman.

“They were being allowed to lead the parade and being calmly escorted by both the police and [Manchester] Pride security along the road in front of the tens of thousands of people lining the streets for the parade.”

 

[Kaitzilla]

Reading an article on the BBC it was odd to see a reference to His Majesty The King.

I doubt Johnny Rotten will be re recording it to reflect the new anthem.

I wonder what the Monarchy's view would be on changing the anthem from 'God save the King' to the more gender-neutral and all-inclusive 'God save us All'?

**Edit**
I've been informed that 'God save us All' appears in the lyrics 1 time already.
Excellent.

 

[Arwon]

"There were two of you and two hundred monarchists out there."
"We can not arrest two hundred monarchists, but by taking you into
custody, we think we saved you from getting a right proper kicking."

how's that boot taste

 

[Samson]

I've been informed that 'God save us All' appears in the lyrics 1 time already.

No it does not, it is about the royals and the military,

Spoiler Lyrics :

God save our gracious King!
Long live our noble King!
God save the King!
Send him victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the King.

Thy choicest gifts in store
On him be pleased to pour,
Long may he reign.
May he defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the King.