Tip the pizza delivery driver!

[Bugfatty300]

Not if it's part of their job. Then it's part of the product I paid for. Your beef isn't with the customer, it's with your employer who refuses to pay for the gas you use when you work for them.

People deliver pizzas for tips. Not for their $80 check every week. Employers keep prices at reasonable levels by expecting us to profit from tips. Would you like to get a $10 delivery charge for a $25 large pizza instead of dishing out a couple of bucks to a driver for a reasonably priced order of food?

You don't have to give a tip. True. But you'll be viewed poorly as rude, unappreciative and inconsiderate and your future service will suffer. Sorry but thats the status quo of our society.

If you do not want to tip then you should not seek the services of occupations that expect tips. Simple as that.

 

[brennan]

People deliver pizzas for tips. Not for their $80 check every week. Employers keep prices at reasonable levels by expecting us to profit from tips. Would you like to get a $10 delivery charge instead of dishing out a couple of bucks to a driver?

You don't have to give a tip. True. But you'll be viewed poorly as rude, unappreciative and inconsiderate and your future service will suffer. Sorry but thats the status quo of our society.

If you do not want to tip then you should not seek the services of occupations that expect tips. Simple as that.

Well then, the question you should be asking is "why the hell don't pizza delivery companies charge delivery for their pizzas?" isn't it? The answer is that rather than pay you a fixed amount for your work, they unfairly leave you in a situation where you may not be payed. This is your employer taking advantage of you to cut his expenses, not the consumer being rude.

 

[brainpan]

I just don't like people informally asking/expecting hand-outs. It bothers me. It lacks dignity. I would never do it. If I were in poverty, I still wouldn't do it. It's just a disgrace. It's not professional, and it's not respectful. Not to mention it's just all in bad taste, monetary etiquette speaking.

You may not like it, but the practice has become an institution. Your view is self-centered and you shouldn't expect the world to accommodate it.

Etiquette is not what you prefer, but conventional behavior within groups of people. It's completely illogical for you to describe the practice of tipping as rude when societal norms often dictate the precise opposite.

Imagine some big institutional investment bankers, sitting in a boardroom - doing business. One buys some shares of a company from another. Standard taxes, fees, rates apply. Then the purchasing banker says, "Gee thanks... now here... take this..." and slips 15 bucks across the table.

Actually, the sharing of perks among that class happens quite frequently, but 15 bucks would be an insult! Anyone in business (and who hopes to stay in business) should understand the concept quite well. I gave out freebies all the time to those who did favors for me. There is nothing unethical or unseemly about it (up to a point).

 

[Bugfatty300]

Well then, the question you should be asking is "why the hell don't pizza delivery companies charge delivery for their pizzas?" isn't it?

I already know the answer to that.

Employers keep prices at reasonable levels by expecting us to profit from tips.

If people had to pay $30 or $40 to have a $20 order brought to their house then there wouldn't be nearly as much business would there?

The answer is that rather than pay you a fixed amount for your work, they unfairly leave you in a situation where you may not be payed. This is your employer taking advantage of you to cut his expenses, not the consumer being rude.

With out a legitimate complaint the customer is being rude and unappreciative.

 

[brainpan]

This is your employer taking advantage of you to cut his expenses, not the consumer being rude.

Kinda' looks like both to me. The customer still owns his behavior, and I consider it exceptionally rude to cheat a minumum wage earner and then blame his boss.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

People deliver pizzas for tips. Not for their $80 check every week. Employers keep prices at reasonable levels by expecting us to profit from tips. Would you like to get a $10 delivery charge for a $25 large pizza instead of dishing out a couple of bucks to a driver for a reasonably priced order of food?

So, the few bucks you need to pay for gas suddenly become $15? If what you are saying is true, you should get a $15 tip on average. That's not the case.

I do tip, but not because the employer doesn't pay for your gas. Like I said before, you ariving late, being rude, or such a thing would cause me not to tip. Even though you still used gas to deliver the Pizza. I tip for adequate service, if you're fast you get extra, if you're friendly, polite etc you get tipped.

Judging your OP, you see customers as sorry asses. If this in any way shows when you get to my door. Expect to leave tipless.

You don't have to give a tip. True. But you'll be viewed poorly as rude, unappreciative and inconsiderate and your future service will suffer. Sorry but thats the status quo of our society.

And I will take my business elsewhere. A place that has delivery staff that is polite. And they will get my tips. No skin of my back.

If you do not want to tip then you should not seek the services of occupations that expect tips. Simple as that.

Here is where you make an error. Tips are not hand-outs. You earn your tips. By giving adequate service. Simple as that. If you don't perform, you don't get paid. That's the way society works, simple as that.

edit: "Pizza Hut does not pay for the gas which I use to bring your pizza to your sorry ass", "When you give the pizza driver the money, make sure you indicate that they can keep the change or tell them how much change you want back. I'm not allowed to ask how much you want back. And If you don't tell me to give change back then I assume the change is my tip" and "Please do not pay half the charge in quarters. So far I have been nice and accepted it but its getting to be a pain to count them all on your doorstep and cause me to loose time."

Three big mistakes.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Judging your OP, you see customers as sorry asses.

Umm no. Customers who do not tip for no apparent reason and do not give a reason why are sorry asses IMO.

And I will take my business elsehwere.

As I said before that would be preferable than delivering to people who don't tip.

Here is where you make an error. Tips are not hand-outs. You earn your tips. By giving adequate service. Simple as that. If you don't perform, you don't get paid. That's the way society works, simple as that.

Are we not talking about people who do a good job and still don't get a tip? Why do you bring up poor working habits that would not warrant a tip in and of its self? If I were a mean jerk who took 2 hours to find a house then I don't deserve a tip. If I was on time with the exact order and courteous then what reasons would there for not tipping me other than the cutomer being a dickhead?

 

[brennan]

I already know the answer to that.

Employers keep prices at reasonable levels by expecting us to profit from tips.

If people had to pay $30 or $40 to have a $20 order brought to their house then there wouldn't be much a business would there?

With out a legitimate complaint the customer is being rude and unappreciative.

1) Why the hell should I pay more for something than the price I see. That would violate my rights as a consumer over here for a start.

2) If the price of pizza automatically includes an unspoken 'tip' for delivery what the hell difference would including it in the price make? Apart from guaranteeing your income?

Kinda' looks like both to me. The customer still owns his behavior, and I consider it exceptionally rude to cheat a minumum wage earner and then blame his boss.

I've worked for minimum wage myself. Only I didn't have the benefit of some weird social nicety that required my customers to give me money for doing my job. Zero sympathy here.

 

[brennan]

And If you don't tell me to give change back then I assume the change is my tip

I dunno 'bout a mistake, that sounds like theft to me. I'd consider it unacceptably bad service if someone did not automatically give me my change. Presumptuous and rude. Not only would you not be getting a tip, you'd be getting a complaint.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I am talking about:

Expecting to get a tip because your employer doesn't pay for gas is not very sensible. Expecting to get a tip because your service is upto par is sensible.

Good service including: not minding small chance when you get paid. Small coins are just as valuable, and if that's the way the customer wants to pay for it, so be it. Expecting the change is your tip when the customer has said nothing about it is not good service but the exact opposite.

 

[Bugfatty300]

I dunno 'bout a mistake, that sounds like theft to me.

When they take the pizza and shut the door with out a word then I assume its mine. I have been chased down the street as I was leaving over $3 before.

I guess they expect me to put the change in their mail box or follow them inside? I sure as hell am not going to stand outside and wait for them to come back to the door.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not what you said earlier.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Not what you said earlier.

They either say "bye" or shut the door (I assume expecting me to wait for them to come back or forgetting to get the change altogether) People who stand there staring at me get their change back. Sorry I was not very clear on that.

 

[brennan]

When they take the pizza and shut the door with out a word then I assume its mine. I have been chased down the street as I was leaving over $3 before.

Fair do's. But do you actually offer them their change? I mean it is their money and they are in no way contractually obliged to give it to you, right. If you just hand them the pizza and walk off with the notes they hand you: you're a thief.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

They either say "bye" or shut the door (I assume expecting me to wait for them to do something) People who stand there staring at me get their change back.

If they say bye or shut the door, it's a different story.

 

[aelf]

If a person call a deliver service, and the deliver service plainly states that the price of the service is, say, $ 28,00, why is it expected that you pay $ 30,00?

In Singapore, there is a mandatory 10% service charge. Service sucks crap 90% of the time. As a customer, I prefer to tip.

I think it's a good system for rewarding the employee for customer satisfaction at the customer's discretion. The key word is, of course, customer satisfaction. But all systems have a flaw, and in this case the flaw lies in stingy customers.

 

[brennan]

People who stand there staring at me get their change back.

Why do they have to stand there staring at you. GIVE THEM THEIR MONEY BACK! This is not tipping, this is you keeping the change. All of it. Automatically. Why the hell would I, a customer, have to ask for my change?

Next time you go into a shop, just imagine if the guy at the till looked blankly at you when you paid because he was assuming any excess amount was 'his': you'd be pretty pee'ed off wouldn't you?

 

[Bugfatty300]

Fair do's. But do you actually offer them their change? I mean it is their money and they are in no way contractually obliged to give it to you, right. If you just hand them the pizza and walk off with the notes they hand you: you're a thief.

I only leave once they indicate the transaction is complete such as shutting the door, saying bye or getting back in their car.

Asking "if you want their change back" is the same as "how much do you want back?" and is very rude and against policy (or against what my manager told me).

My complaint is that they come back outside or yell at me while I'm walking away AFTER they have ended the transaction without indicating that they wanted the change back or wanted me to keep it.

For instance one night a met a woman at a gas station. The order was like 18.21, she gave me $20 bill, I gave her the food. She said "thank you, have a nice night" and put the car into gear to drive away. I thanked her for the "tip" and turned to walk back to my car. She breaked and called me back wanting to know how much it was again. I said 18.21 and then she wanted me to give her $2 back.

 

[brennan]

I only leave once they indicate the transaction is complete such as shutting the door, saying bye or getting back in their car.

Asking "if you want their change back" is the same as "how much do you want back" is very rude and against policy (or against what my manager told me).

My complaint is that they come back outside or yell at me while I'm walking away AFTER they have ended the transaction without indicating that they wanted the change back or wanted me to keep it.

I would suggest that if you just offer them their change, that would both be polite and constitute good customer service. I think assuming all the money is yours is ruder than asking how much they want back, and both of them are appallingly bad service.

 

[brainpan]

I've worked for minimum wage myself. Only I didn't have the benefit of some weird social nicety that required my customers to give me money for doing my job. Zero sympathy here.

But this is still a self-centered attitude. If you are aware that the social norm is to provide a tip for adequate to good service, you should do so.

If following that courtesy is simply more than you can stomach, the honest thing would be for you to at least warn the business beforehand that you have no intention of tipping.

That way you won't be tricking a minimum wage earner out of an expected income, and it will allow him the freedom to decide whether to follow the "weird social nicety" that pizza delivery boys should not piss on pizzas before delivering them.

PS-See what can happen when people arbitrarily cast aside manners in favor of a personal code of etiquette that others don't recognize? Isn't the whole point of manners to help us function as a society?