Tip the pizza delivery driver!

[LightFang]

I personally would leave it at seven.

Actually, I would probably tip more than that. I'd probably just give $10 and tell him to keep the change. Wow, a 50% tip. Give me my pizza fast next time. ;D

 

[Lotus49]

Hey, LightFang - you have a little over 2,100 posts. But, let's go ahead and tip you up to 2,400... just for participating. I'll speak to the administrator.

I don't get it. It's this whole, "give me somethin' extra, and make me feel special" thing that baffles me. Next thing you know, everyone is going around expecting a bunch of freebies. I've never gotten one stinkin' freebie in my entire life. It's character building. And I'm doing just fine today, thank you very much, after some years of very hard, stressful times.

It's along the same lines as birthdays. "Make me feel special!" "Give me something!" It simply doesn't make sense. I think it's all childish, to be honest.

WHO do you 'tip'? Kids... that's who. The youngsters, that don't actually have INCOME. You toss coins and candy at them, and they're happy about it. But I just don't see how this translates into a grown man - doing his flippin' job.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

I don't tip people, I tip cows.

 

[jeps]

I dont order delivery.

I live 5 minutes walking from a Pizza Pizza, 15 minutes from a Pizza Nova, and 30 minutes from a second Pizza Nova (opposite direction).

Seriously, why bother drive for those distances? or have someone bring it?

for a non-chain store, that takes a very VERY long time to make, but makes AMAZING food, it takes about 35 minutes to walk there, and incidentally about 35 minutes to make an order on a light day. (everything, down to the crust/pasta/dressings is homemade)

However, I tip 15%, and go out of my way to do so when occasionally it is easier to tip the change. Of course, now that tax is 14% people often only tip that, but I still give 15% (I love that phone tip calculator. seriously.)

However, at places with an auto tip, I ask them to take it off, only pay the bill, and then tip from there based on service. Tips are a privelege, for good service, not a guaranteed source of income when you go on break between taking my order and going to the kitchen, forget to bring half the order but still charge for it, and take over an hour for food (has happened before multiple times), I would not tip at all. Funny story about a friend not tipping once as they were at a resteraunt for over 3 hours before food came. The waiter came and yelled at him, and demanded to know why he didnt tip. He said that he only tips for good service, and this was the worst service he has had in his life. That waiter got fired shortly after.

 

[brainpan]

@Lotus 49:
You've actually changed your argument three times in as many posts. You're obviously trying to offer objections on the fly without bothering to dedicate any serious thought to the matter. It appears you are either unwilling or unable to do so.

1. First you were worried that tipping promotes financial irresponsibility.
2. Next, "all you were saying" is it's just too difficult for you to figure simple percentages.
3. Now you offer unwarranted condesention towards service industry workers who are "grown men," and make the assinine charge that tipping is tantamount to "getting freebies."

 

[Lotus49]

@Lotus 49:
You've actually changed your argument three times in as many posts. You're obviously trying to offer objections on the fly without bothering to dedicate any serious thought to the matter. It appears you are either unwilling or unable to do so.

1. First you were worried that tipping promotes financial irresponsibility.
2. Next, "all you were saying" is it's just too difficult for you to figure simple percentages.
3. Now you offer unwarranted condesention towards service industry workers who are "grown men," and make the assinine charge that tipping is tantamount to "getting freebies."

I don't see it that way. I think I've been trying to express my points of view on various related topics to tipping. I'm not writing an essay, and no organization is guaranteed. It is also quite possible that my thoughts on the matter are complex, and perhaps even evolving as the discussion progresses - as I perhaps inadvertently try to discover the true deeper meanings/reasons of my negative bias on this subject.

Asinine does not actually have an @ss in it, btw. The hot @ss desert does, though.

 

[brainpan]

Exactly my point. You don't have a reasoned objection in the first place, just a vague emotional distaste that you can't seem to express.

By your own admission, your entire argument was all summed up nicely. But when it was handily dispatched by a sixteen-year-old from California, you suddenly reversed yourself and offered an entirely new but equally absurd "rational."

 

[Bugfatty300]

I mean do you feel mad when you're not tipped and the guy wait an hour and a half ? (ok i never ordered pizza but other food like indian,etc)

Since I'm essentially being the whipping boy for the customer when I deliver a late order (that wasn't my fault) yes I do get angry (not openly of course) especially when they make nasty comments to me or make it a point that I'm not getting a penny from them.

The best thing for those people to do is to find another place. Pizza Hut does not run a monopoly on pizza deliveries. If Pizza Hut keeps getting their orders wrong or late then feel free to look else where for other business.

For instance, today I took a wrong order to some guys who told me they had ordered from Pizza Hut THREE times and every time the order was messed up. They were nice and didn't blame me but they never tipped me before even when the order was right anyway. I politely explained to them that Domino's and Papa John's where right down the road from them and that their numbers could be found in the phone book.

 

[Lotus49]

Exactly my point. You don't have a reasoned objection in the first place, just a vague emotional distaste that you can't seem to express.

By your own admission, your entire argument was all summed up nicely. But when it was handily dispatched by a sixteen-year-old from California, you suddenly reversed yourself and offered an entirely new but equally absurd "rational."

Alright, if I've been 'dispatched', I'd like you to show me where, specifically.

I think you're overestimating the seriousness of some of my comments (I can calculate 15%), her responses, and then mine in turn... at this late stage in the discussion.

The Europeans have already spoken. The ones from Holland, Finland, Britian, etc. I don't think there's any more to say on this matter, other than when the pizza guy shows up, you're obligated to round up to the nearest $20, because "he's workin' so hard... doin' all that drivin' around". GOD help the other delivery guys out there. In fact, tomorrow morning when the garbage truck shows up, I'm going to run out there and cut them a nice fat check... on top of what I already pay.

Enterprise rental? That old man that delivers the cars? Man... I'm just gonna throw money at him, like a stripper. See, I think that's the problem... you're in LV. To much 'tipping' going on, if you know what I mean. You're just used to it. Rest of the world, we actually have set prices, and pay accordingly. Only exceptions are the scammers; salesmen, salon workers, pizza delivery, waitresses, etc.

You know what's funny, is that you can go into Waffle House, and get a breakfast sandwich to GO, sit for a couple of minutes, and then watch as they add an obligatory tip to the receipt just before you pay. I think you can refuse to pay it, but to be sure... you have to say something (not that I do).

Anyway... scam is the key word. -As the right honorable gentleman from Britain has expressed. But, some people... that's just how the world works, for them. "You scam me, I scam you... we're all scratchin' to make a living - the dirtiest way we know how. Now here... put some quarters in my cup."

 

[brennan]

Come on. You were doing so well. I'm sorry, but this concept has been carefully explained to you over and again, at this point it just looks like you want to rant. And stop with the piss thing, find your own rhetorical device and quit skewing mine. It's just not polite, nor is it honest.
Or, just learn the basic courtesies of the country you plan to visit. None of this is beyond our ability to comprehend, and even your naivety seems less than invincible.

Naivety?

You have employers exploiting their workers by passing over to them the risk of not being tipped...

They do this so that they can falsely advertise a service as 'free' that quite clearly isn't...

...and if I don't cough up an acceptable amount I get the threat of lousy service next time.

And you think this is ok? Madness.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

15% is not a hard amount to figure out.

Watch: If your meal came out to be $46.20:

Ten percent is just moving the decimal to the left: $4.62.
Five percent is half that: $2.31.
Add: $6.93.

With a little bit of versing in mental arithmetic, you can do it too!

My method: 46.20, pay 50 say: "forget the change". My pizza orders aren't usually this expensive, so the percentage will be higher than in this example. That's why I hate it when the charge comes to 19.50 for instance. I'm not going to tip 50 cents (heh). So then I have to start calculating and add a couple of bucks. I would rather just use the force.

In your example, would you pay 46.20 + 6.93 = 53.13? Or round it to 54 or 53?

And I would rather they include the tip in the price and get a discount (automatic) when the pizza is late.

European service isn't bad, no complaints from me so far.

 

[kuukkeli]

What I am saying is that I dont think european bad service is a result of them not tipping; nor do I think that service would improve if they did tip. Its more of a cultural thing in my opinion.

It's the end of the world

Or I just agree with MobBoss. You're absolutely right on this one. It's very easy to see that in here - in kebab / pizza places that are ran by immigrants from the Middle-East the level of service is usually much better than pizza places owned by Finns. In Finland customers are happy to get service at all and to be honest it shows (it might also be because we're such a socially inept people that there aren't enough folks who fit service industry).

Anyways, I believe that the traditional Finnish point of view to tipping would be shame - by tipping I'd presume the other is in need of charity and by taking the tip the other would confirm that. I admit that I'd feel very akward if I'd have to tip someone. It would feel like boasting with money. "Look at me, I'm filthy rich!"

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well kuukkeli, I don't share that experience in regard to the natives here. Lots of pizzaplaces are run by dutchies. And when they're not visiting prostitutes, killing babies or smoking pot the service is quite good.

*gasps* Maybe it's not possible to denominate the service in Europe, since there is such a variety across the board? Nah, what am I saying

 

[warpus]

Wonder how many people would throw a fit if the place simply added 10% to their prices to cover it.

A lot of places here have a "delivery charge". It's usually $2-5.

 

[Godwynn]

I was about to be stunned at your high sales tax, until I remembered it's 8.25% in Atlanta... that's why I don't buy anything here. I'm used to 5 in Mass. and 0 in NH.

God Bless New Hampshire too!

 

[warpus]

Anyways, I believe that the traditional Finnish point of view to tipping would be shame - by tipping I'd presume the other is in need of charity and by taking the tip the other would confirm that. I admit that I'd feel very akward if I'd have to tip someone. It would feel like boasting with money. "Look at me, I'm filthy rich!"

I tried to tip a cabbie in Poland once, and he refused to take my money, possibly for the reason above.

Apparently in Japan, tipping is seen as highly offensive.

 

[Bamspeedy]

I've read somewhere that jobs where tips are expected are paid less than the minimum wage.

I simply can't understand how one can pay less than the minimum and not be arrested for fraud and exploiting people.

Legally (in most/all states?) they could be paid 1/2 the minimum wage IF they earn enough tips that including the tip income has them earning at least the minimum wage. If they aren't making enough in tips then the employer has to make up the difference so that they earn at least minimum.

But if this happens, the boss usually tries to find a way to get rid of this person because them not earning enough in tips tells the boss that they must not be a very good waiter/waitress (unless business was slow obviously).

I don't know if the law applies to pizza drivers because every place I've worked paid at least the regular minimum wage (not the 1/2 minimum wage that waitresses/waiters could be paid).

 

[LucyDuke]

Lotus, thank you. You don't believe in tipping, so you don't use services that require tipping. You're not the jackass who doesn't leave 15% for service that met expectations, you're the irrelevant guy who stays home and eats TV dinners. As someone who makes less than half of minimum wage before tips, I appreciate that you stay out of the discussion restaurant.

I've read somewhere that jobs where tips are expected are paid less than the minimum wage.

What should happen is the government enforcing the minimum wage.

Legally (in most/all states?) they could be paid 1/2 the minimum wage IF they earn enough tips that including the tip income has them earning at least the minimum wage. If they aren't making enough in tips then the employer has to make up the difference so that they earn at least minimum.

But if this happens, the boss usually tries to find a way to get rid of this person because them not earning enough in tips tells the boss that they must not be a very good waiter/waitress (unless business was slow obviously).

I don't know if the law applies to pizza drivers because every place I've worked paid at least the regular minimum wage (not the 1/2 minimum wage that waitresses/waiters could be paid).

Federally (all states), unless the state has a higher minimum, servers that can expect tips have a minimum wage of $2.13/hr. (Federal minimum wage is $5.85, in Rhode Island it's $7.40.) I've worked a couple of dead nights where I brought home less than $20 in tips.

$20/8=$2.5
$2.13+$2.50=$4.63
$4.63 < $7.40

Legally, my boss is required to pay me the difference. But the thing is, some nights I brought home >$100 in tips. I'm not going to gripe about rainy days, it's part of the trade-off. If I never made more than $20/night, I wouldn't ask my boss to make up the difference anyway, I'd find a new job.

I don't know whether the pizza guy makes more than $2.13 base pay. But regardless of law, the story is the same. The pizza guy, the bartender, the waitress, the bellhop, we all work for tips. We're not doing these things just because we like you, or because our boss pays us to, we're doing them to earn the tip that a reasonable person would give us. (Imagine that! Tips are earned! It's okay to not tip spitty service!)

 

[Hundegesicht]

Sigh. No you do not tip the UPS guy. He'd laugh at you and give it back.

- UPS guy makes +$20 an hour while driving a company truck with company paid gas.
- I make minimum wage, drive my own car with my own gas.

See a difference?

Actually, having worked for the UPS, that's closer to $30/$35 an hour, plus great benefits. It's a great job to have. Speaking of which:

Maybe I could get a "real" full time job if I weren't going to school 5-6 hours a day.

ENTRY level part time positions at the UPS pay $10/hour, with benefits too. You'll work 25 hours a week, but get enough to live off of. You should apply, they're almost always hiring. I did it myself throughout college.

Sure, it's a lot harder of a job than sitting in your car all day. You'll end up doing a lot of lifting in your typical package handler job. But, it pays better, and in the end is a lot more rewarding.

This is why I don't really have any sympathy for people who gripe about "minimum wage" jobs. You get minimum wage because you do an easy job, so it's all you deserve. If you don't like what you're making, try working a little harder, or apply somewhere else.

 

[warpus]

I don't know whether the pizza guy makes more than $2.13 base pay. But regardless of law, the story is the same. The pizza guy, the bartender, the waitress, the bellhop, we all work for tips. We're not doing these things just because we like you, or because our boss pays us to, we're doing them to earn the tip that a reasonable person would give us. (Imagine that! Tips are earned! It's okay to not tip spitty service!)

I still tip if the service/food was horrible, I just feed bad if I didn't, because I know how important tips are.

It shouldn't be like that!