To alcohol - The cause of and solution to all life's problems.

[GhostWriter16]

How on earth do we know they were drunk? I actually mentioned the wedding in Cana in this thread, but I have no idea how you'd know they were already drunk. And even if they were (SOME may well have been) that doesn't make it OK. Jesus' point wasn't really to make a point about drinking, but to keep the feast going on. That said, if drinking the wine were wrong no matter the circumsances (Remember, it was strong wine, so this seems to be CH's view although he hasn't outright said it) Jesus would never have done it. Almost like a Catholic giving someone contraception VS a Protestant doing so, in the Protestant's case, the person getting the contraception COULD use it in a wrong way, but most Protestants would say if they did so in marriage, its morally OK, so the Protestant is not NECESSARILY helping the other person sin. On the other hand, if you're an orthodox Catholic, contraception is ALWAYS banned, so giving someone contraception COULD NOT be OK. In a similar manner, if Jesus believed drunkenness, but not drinking wine, was wrong, he still could have made the wine, even though it COULD cause drunkenness, but if drinking non-watered down wine was wrong period, Jesus would never have made it.

 

[_random_]

How on earth do we know they were drunk? I actually mentioned the wedding in Cana in this thread, but I have no idea how you'd know they were already drunk.

The ruler of the feast says that by that point, most hosts would just set out crappy wine since their guests were already drunk, but thanks to Jesus they'd gotten the good stuff (John 2:10, New Random Translation).

And even if they were (SOME may well have been) that doesn't make it OK. Jesus' point wasn't really to make a point about drinking, but to keep the feast going on. That said, if drinking the wine were wrong no matter the circumsances (Remember, it was strong wine, so this seems to be CH's view although he hasn't outright said it) Jesus would never have done it.

Heavy drinking has traditionally been an aspect of feasting in Hebrew culture. I don't think it's necessarily a problem as a way of celebration, just as a way of life.

 

[Farm Boy]

To the bold": Do most people have those things right up until they get to college? I must have been lucky, I don't generally get told any of those things (Though, since I'm a mostly A and B student, its not like my parents NEED to tell me to study either, I don't generally do it and I do fine)



I'm aware that technically caffeine is a drug, and in my mind there's a definite difference in drinking caffeine or even a glass of wine and actually using alcohol or drugs to a point that it alters your mind (Again, Christian worldview, not judging anyone.)

A parental figure does not need to explicitly need to give you a bedtime for there to be implied force of structure to your day. Your school day probably starts about the same time every day. You probably can't make a lot of noise and bump around much after your household goes to bed. Neither of these will generally be true in a "traditional" dormitory environment at US university. Your classes may very well start at different times on different days, they may start late. You will physically be "in class" far less hours per week than an 8AM - 3:30PM schoolday. You will likely have peers available to spend time with far into the night. These are not bad things. It can be a remarkably liberating and fun way to spend a couple years as you learn the skills of independent living. The only time it is really bad is when a student forgets the basic reason they are attending an expensive university, to be a student.

Caffeine isn't technically a drug. It's a drug. Nothing wrong with having some of it, though it can be habit forming. Same with alcohol. Any use alters your mind some, it's a matter of dosage. Enjoying an ice cold Coca-Cola is much the same as enjoying a glass of wine. Getting hopped up on Monster is much the same as getting inebriated. Both can be quite enjoyable. All things in moderation, including moderation.

Cutting artificial lines based on the legality of a drug isn't really helpful when determining anything about the use of said drug other than its, well, legality. You have to take their effects and side effects individually. To use an overdone example, I find it far more enjoyable to attend a concert if the crowd is largely high rather than drunk. I have never had somebody who smoked pot try to pick a random fight with me or vomit on my shoes. If you are with a large enough group of strangers who are hammered both occurrences are often unavoidable.

 

[GhostWriter16]

The ruler of the feast says that by that point, most hosts would just set out crappy wine since their guests were already drunk, but thanks to Jesus they'd gotten the good stuff (John 2:10, New Random Translation).

Wow that's a paraphrased translation

But there are verses that do condemn drunkenness. Even if most of the guests were drunk, that doesn't necessarily mean Jesus is OK with drunkenness.

Plus, if he had done a miracle to make crappy wine, it wouldn't have seemeed nearly as impressive. He could have found a little wine stashed somewhere and mixed it with the water. But no. It was pure, strong stuff. there was no question of his power.

@Farm Boy- OK that's fair. I agree the illegality of a drug isn't a great standard (Although I do personally think the illegality would make it wrong for me to do it, I don't have a problem with alcohol but I try to obey the law.)

That said, as I said, Caffeine really doesn't do anything for me, I just like the taste of soda pop. I can live without it and be fine, but I will usually crave a Dr. Pepper for the taste.

 

[Farm Boy]

I can live without it and be fine.

That's a good place to be! (Silly random observation - Dr. Pepper has the highest caffeine content of any major US brand of pop, you sure it's just the flavor?)

 

[GhostWriter16]

That's a good place to be! (Silly random observation - Dr. Pepper has the highest caffeine content of any major US brand of pop, you sure it's just the flavor?)

I thought Dew had more???

But yeah, I really do like the flavor. In fact, so far Diet Dr. Pepper is the only diet soda I'll actually enjoy drinking (Though I prefer regular by far.)

Also, yes, I can live without it. My 64oz 7-11 double gulp watches me type this

 

[JollyRoger]

There should be an ounce limit for soda tied to age. People under 21 shoud perhaps be allowed to purchase a Big Gulp at most and those under 18 should by limited to somewhere between 12 and 20 ounces.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

I am so disappointed. I thought this was going to be a drunk thread. But yall are actually taking the subject seriously.

Well I'all posted while drunk , I can just be serious when I'm that way . Now I'm hung over and getting ready to go to work and seeking brevity .

 

[Farm Boy]

I thought Dew had more???

But yeah, I really do like the flavor. In fact, so far Diet Dr. Pepper is the only diet soda I'll actually enjoy drinking (Though I prefer regular by far.)

Ok, I looked up more random sites and found several that disagree, so you are probably right. Not ambitious enough to look up more. Diet varieties of soda usually have somewhat more caffeine than regular varieties to make up for the buzz that the super-refined corn syrup would otherwise have given you.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Jesus Was Way Cool

(hall-xefos)
Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine,
And if he had wanted to,
He could have turned wheat into marijuana,
Sugar into cocaine,
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water and swam on the land
He would tell these stories and people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind, or lame,
You just went up to Jesus*
And he would put his hands on you and you would be healed
That's so cool

He could have played guitar better than Hendrix
He could have told the future
He could have baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could have scored more goals than Wayne Gretsky
He could have danced better than Barishnikof
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of

Jesus told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was,
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead!
He rose from the dead,
Danced around and went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians

 

[NickyJ]

From Christian to Christian (At Classical) Jesus drank wine

That stated, I don't drink. I just don't understand why any Christian would have a problem with it (In moderation.)

Agreed.

Lawbreaker

I do know beer is disgusting, having tried the no-alcohol variant. I've never tried wine though (In our church communion is done with grape juice.)

I once had a glass of wine at Thanksgiving. Meh. It didn't really seem all that special to me, though I'm sure other brands are different.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

You need to drink about 12 glasses of wine in order to be properly drunk.

 

[NickyJ]

You need to drink about 12 glasses of wine in order to be properly drunk.

I have no interest in being drunk.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Yeah, it's rubbish.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

I have no interest in being drunk.

Neither did I, but then I had a vision.

Jesus told me, personally, that in my drunkenness, I could save mankind.

So I drink for your sins, and you should be thankful.

 

[madviking]

I guess I'm going to have to spell it out for you. Drinking in college does not usually consist of lots of beer (unless it's a kegger). The name of the game in drinking is usually take 1-3 shots before you go in, then you mix hard liquor with either soda or some kind of fruit juice (most popularly lemonade), and usually use that to play several drinking games (such as King's Cup, 10 Fingers, Animal Sounds, etc.) until you are as wasted as you want to be. This is why Liter bottles of soda are always, ALWAYS on sale in grocery stores in college towns.

Yea, when I roll up to Delta Sigma, Pi Lambda, or Phi Psi I've almost always buzzed. I then to proceed and enter said fraternal establishment with my harem of five or seven women. Then I give them a few drinks to loosen them up. Then, I isolate my favorite chick from my harem, and let the others go on their merry way. Then, if things go well, a and I drink some (read: a lot) more drinks, I shouldn't really remember that I do. Furthermore, I could either way up in a bed in a random apartment if that girl (or more). Worse thing is that I sleep on the couch wearing nothing but boxers. Since I'm Russian and don't hangover, I proceed to check my phone to see what comedy I've sent out to my friends. This usually means texting one person about five times a row, three minutes apart, at about 1:30 am, asking why the hell they aren't responding. Then, I reply to any questions which have been raised by my friends, asking me where their "idefnitifcaiation acird" is.

Then I go to class, for it's only Friday morning.

 

[Borachio]

Jesus Was Way Cool

(hall-xefos)
Jesus was way cool

This is soooo like Lord Buckley.


12 glasses is about 2 75cl bottles? That seems a lot.

 

[Disgustipated]

I drink because I like the effect of a buzz. Very rarely I will allow myself to get slightly drunk. I never let myself get full drunk because I hate hangovers, and I hate puking.

Right now I'm not drinking because of my lady friend. I told her I wouldn't drink (she worries it will adversely affect my health), and I haven't. Small price to pay for some tang I guess.

 

[Borachio]

Some days I just think I have earned a beer. How about you?

 

[Disgustipated]

And I admit a beer after a day of physical labor hits the spot. I think it's why most blue collar workers drink beer. It seems to relax the muscles after a long day at work. Sometimes if I have to do a lot of physical activity at my job, I crave a beer when I get home. Back in the Navy when working at the maintenance shop, I used to work pretty hard, and a cold beer at the end of the day made it all better.