To alcohol - The cause of and solution to all life's problems.

[Leoreth]

Pray tell, which verse in the bible mentioned germ theory.

Appendix R for "Rationalize things you don't like about the Bible".

 

[classical_hero]

Pray tell, which verse in the bible mentioned germ theory.

Well something was making him sick and we know what the cause was and why drinking a little alcohol would make him feel better. The ancients weren't totally clueless on how to treat people when they got sick. Even though they did not know the cause, they often knew how to treat some diseases.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

why drinking a little alcohol would make him feel better.

I am thinking of a word starting with "p" and ending in "o"...

 

[Farm Boy]

Why? Is it really that hard to get sleep in college? And is this because schoolwork is THAT hard, or because people generally like to spend a lot of their time up late partying?

It isn't really either of these options. College is different for everybody...but... what is entirely likely is that for the first time in one's life they will be immersed almost entirely by a peer group that shares their likes and interests. None of the social baggage that you have in high school needs come with you. You can pick and choose your friends, and there will generally be more than enough to choose from. No parental figure to tell you to sleep or eat or study at a particular time. Most people I know wound up short changing themselves on sleep while adjusting to independence because there is simply so much opportunity for socialization and fun that the time has to come from somewhere. Yes, some students drink too much and some become addicted to online gaming. If you stay up late regularly you are going to be tired. It doesn't matter if that time was spent drinking, playing Modern Warfare, DM-ing a game of Dungeons and Dragons, studying, being part of a christian youth prayer group, or fornicating with a co-ed. Ah the hazards of independence coupled with abundant free time.

Back to your original quesiton. Why do you like your soda pop? Does it just taste good or do you like the energy? I'd wager you are fond of the pick-me-up from the caffeine whether you have thought about it or not. That is just part of the fun of recreational drug use. Yes, drinking pop or coffee "just because you like it" is recreational drug use. Drinking alcohol is the same exact thing but with a different drug. So is smoking cigarettes, cigars, or a pipe. Bear in mind alcohol and coffee are really the only reasonably healthy options here and they are, indeed, fun and acceptable when taken in moderation.

 

[Zelig]

Well something was making him sick and we know what the cause was and why drinking a little alcohol would make him feel better. The ancients weren't totally clueless on how to treat people when they got sick. Even though they did not know the cause, they often knew how to treat some diseases.

You should probably address this:

You realize you need a drink to be roughly 120-proof (well above the concentration of any wine, even before dilution) to effectively kill bacteria?

 

[civver_764]

I used to hate beer too but now I can drink it like Cola and I enjoy the taste very much.

I've always liked the taste of Wine.

Hard Liquor is disgusting and I refuse to believe that anybody actually enjoys the taste. As a mixed drink though it can be very nice.

 

[Quackers]

2) I like being drunk, or at least buzzed.

No Mise

 

[Mise]

No Mise

It feels like a buzz though! Or a fuzz... There are definitely zeds in the feeling.

 

[Borachio]

It's exactly the other way around for me. I don't like to be drunk at all... but I do love a good glass of wine.

Me too.

Fish swim
Birds fly
Daddies yell
Mamas cry
Old men
Sit and think
I drink

Mary Gauthier

I think the best poems are the shortest.

Some people try to drown their sorrow on alcohol. Of course it does not solve the problem, merely negates the symptom, replacing it with another life-threatening situation.

Personally i never was into alcohol, and have not drunk any for a decade.

Self-medicating

Maybe it's time for a few sobering thoughts on alcohol . I love it . I love it far too much .
I'm not an alcoholic but could easily be if I had less to live for (more accurately , perceived I had less to live for) . Unfortunately it is the great obsession of the heavy drinker that one day he or she will be able to drink like the casual drinker .

So for all the posters that enjoy a glass or two of wine , or the teens/early twenties posters that like to party or get on the piss with friends while watching sport , just bare in mind that the slide into excessive drinking is quite easy to arrive at .

Let's say that 30 people have posted in this thread who drink . Statistics from the western world I'm sure would indicate that a few of you are going to have a problem with alcohol in the future . And it's certainly possible to sustain for quite a while relationships , study , career , health etc for a very long time while drinking heavily . But not indefinitely .

Drinking in moderation is definitely one of lifes great pleasures . Wonderful tastes to experience , social situations to enjoy etc . But please , especially some of the younger posters , just be aware that there are potential dangers .

For the posters like Ghostwriter who have very little experience with alcohol but have decided it's not for them and are going to leave it alone , yeah you are missing out but it will hardly be the worse decision(the decision not to drink) you make in life . But a life of total non experimentation and avoiding experiences is probably equally as damaging as going too far with things.

I once found that if I didn't go out for a beer (a pint or two) in the evening that I couldn't sleep at night. I don't believe I was ever a very heavy drinker. But I can't be sure because I never could keep count after 5 pints. For the last few years I have drunk very little. Perhaps a little wine at Christmas, and the occasional beer. (maybe 2 or 3 pints a year). This year I have begun to drink a little more, perhaps 1 or 1.5 pints on a Friday evening. And I very much enjoy the company.

A i explained earlier, the wine they drunk was sort like cordial so you mixed it with water to the desired effect. The alcohol in the drink would kill off any germs in the water, since the water back then wasn't as good as it was now. Now we have no excuses since the water we drink is clean and we shouldn't get sick from drinking it, unlike Timothy, who obviously did not want to get drunk, so he abstained from all alcohol, but a small amount was enough to make the water sterile and drinkable.

The Ancient Romans (a bunch not particular renowned for moral behaviour) used to think it was scandalous to drink unwatered-down wine.

Not in the quantities that lower my risk of heart disease.



Eh? Pre-law at Harvard sounds like one of the easiest undergrad programs you could possibly do. A degree that is one of the worst possible avenues to obtaining a law degree at a school known for rampant grade inflation...



You realize you need a drink to be roughly 120-proof (well above the concentration of any wine, even before dilution) to effectively kill bacteria?

Ah...Woods Rum....the stuff that matelots (oops a pretentious French word), sailors and barnacle bills grog up with before climbing up the rigging in Arctic weather.

1) I like the taste of certain alcoholic drinks (and obviously only drink the ones that I like the taste of)

2) I like being drunk, or at least buzzed.

3) The places where people usually drink are also places where there are a lot of hot girls. The confluence of hot girls and alcohol is a thing to behold.

4) When you're a kid, and you wanted to do something with your friends, you could just sit on a street corner or a wall or something under a dimly lit streetlight in the freezing cold and chat. Now, as an adult, I can't do that anymore. So I go to the pub, to sit in the nice warmth with a cold beer, to have a little chat. It's the same reason that coffee shops exist.

Yes. Why can't we older children congregate on street corners no longer? I miss it. (urgh..cold beer doesn't have the same taste - it's a cultural thing - I don't mind cold beer if it's hot weather and the beer's no good)

Seems to me that it's a social lubricant. I'm still perplexed about those who want to drink themselves to the brink of alcohol poisoning not because they want to drown their sorrows, but because they want to be drunk.

self-medication?

 

[Farm Boy]

Hard Liquor is disgusting and I refuse to believe that anybody actually enjoys the taste. As a mixed drink though it can be very nice.

I enjoy the taste of scotch on the rocks. If I just wanted to get drunk or buzzed there are significantly more cost-efficient ways of doing so.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

self-medication?

No, that's not it. They just want to be drunk. I can see how being high can be pleasurable, but being drunk? I don't know.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

No, that's not it. They just want to be drunk. I can see how being high can be pleasurable, but being drunk? I don't know.

I think there's a fine line, very fine, between buzzed and drunk.

Sort of a shangri-la of fluid mental and bodily control, combined with a safe level of inflated sense of self and raised empathy.

If only we could always live in that state, truly we'd know what it was to be human.

 

[holy king]

meh, a constant state of just having snorted the evening's first nose of coke would be even better!

just imagine how much more we could get done!

 

[Borachio]

I think there's a fine line, very fine, between buzzed and drunk.

Sort of a shangri-la of fluid mental and bodily control, combined with a safe level of inflated sense of self and raised empathy.

If only we could always live in that state, truly we'd know what it was to be human.

True. Drinking clouds your judgement, though. So that while you might intend to only get buzzed you, almost invariably, wind up drunk.

@SS-18 It's also a cultural thing. If everybody else is getting hammered, you will too.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

True. Drinking clouds your judgement, though. So that while you might intend to only get buzzed you, almost invariably, wind up drunk.

@SS-18 It's also a cultural thing. If everybody else is getting hammered, you will too.

I don't. I can watch myself, and I never touch liquor. Or rarely, and even when I am drunk, I tend to have a great control of my thought processes. In exchange, I lose the actual ability to talk.

 

[spider1]

I am so disappointed. I thought this was going to be a drunk thread. But yall are actually taking the subject seriously.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Wouldn't your actions while intoxicated matter more than the actual intoxication? Also, the effects it has on your life, if you place it too high?

Well, if you do DWI and kill someone, yeah, it was worse than just being drunk.

That said, for a Christian to get drunk is sinful because it reduces ones control of self, and we are supposed to always be in control of our bodies and so able to do the right thing.

I wasn't trying to judge anyone here, it was more of a conversation between Christians.

That really depends on your major, school, program, etc. Business being taught at a public university probably won't sap your time as much as, say, pre-law at Harvard.

I expect it would be a different depending on where you go. I know I'm definitely not a Harvard level student

1 Timothy 5:23
Drink no longer water only, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake

If you're ignoring this, Paul is going to feel majorly dissed..

OK, Paul is not commanding the use of wine. He's advising him to use it for his stomach. Obviously we don't HAVE to do that anymore.

A i explained earlier, the wine they drunk was sort like cordial so you mixed it with water to the desired effect. The alcohol in the drink would kill off any germs in the water, since the water back then wasn't as good as it was now. Now we have no excuses since the water we drink is clean and we shouldn't get sick from drinking it, unlike Timothy, who obviously did not want to get drunk, so he abstained from all alcohol, but a small amount was enough to make the water sterile and drinkable.

I know we don't have an "Excuse" but why exactly is it wrong to drink a little for the taste or for your health (Wine is apparently good for you.) I know drink affects different people differently, but one glass of wine or bottle of beer isn't going to get you drunk.

In fact, I've never even seen the question straight out answered: Do you think it is sinful for a Christian to (Legally and in moderation) drink alcohol in the present day?

It isn't really either of these options. College is different for everybody...but... what is entirely likely is that for the first time in one's life they will be immersed almost entirely by a peer group that shares their likes and interests. None of the social baggage that you have in high school needs come with you. You can pick and choose your friends, and there will generally be more than enough to choose from. No parental figure to tell you to sleep or eat or study at a particular time. Most people I know wound up short changing themselves on sleep while adjusting to independence because there is simply so much opportunity for socialization and fun that the time has to come from somewhere. Yes, some students drink too much and some become addicted to online gaming. If you stay up late regularly you are going to be tired. It doesn't matter if that time was spent drinking, playing Modern Warfare, DM-ing a game of Dungeons and Dragons, studying, being part of a christian youth prayer group, or fornicating with a co-ed. Ah the hazards of independence coupled with abundant free time.

To the bold": Do most people have those things right up until they get to college? I must have been lucky, I don't generally get told any of those things (Though, since I'm a mostly A and B student, its not like my parents NEED to tell me to study either, I don't generally do it and I do fine)

Back to your original quesiton. Why do you like your soda pop? Does it just taste good or do you like the energy? I'd wager you are fond of the pick-me-up from the caffeine whether you have thought about it or not. That is just part of the fun of recreational drug use. Yes, drinking pop or coffee "just because you like it" is recreational drug use. Drinking alcohol is the same exact thing but with a different drug. So is smoking cigarettes, cigars, or a pipe. Bear in mind alcohol and coffee are really the only reasonably healthy options here and they are, indeed, fun and acceptable when taken in moderation

I'm aware that technically caffeine is a drug, and in my mind there's a definite difference in drinking caffeine or even a glass of wine and actually using alcohol or drugs to a point that it alters your mind (Again, Christian worldview, not judging anyone.)

As for caffeine, while I'm aware its technically a drug, I don't have any special need for it. It doesn't really give me energy. I mostly just like the taste. My soda could be caffeine free and not make a substantial difference to mee, unless, as stated, I'm not aware of it. But I don't even drink caffeine on a daily basis. I mostly drink a lot at one time because its a lot cheaper to buy one 64 oz than four different 16 oz on four different days, and money is something I have fairly little of.

 

[W|M]

According to this, the Bible endorses drinking in moderation, but not drunkenness, in several passages.

 

[sophie]

Why? Is it really that hard to get sleep in college? And is this because schoolwork is THAT hard, or because people generally like to spend a lot of their time up late partying?

I guess I'm going to have to spell it out for you. Drinking in college does not usually consist of lots of beer (unless it's a kegger). The name of the game in drinking is usually take 1-3 shots before you go in, then you mix hard liquor with either soda or some kind of fruit juice (most popularly lemonade), and usually use that to play several drinking games (such as King's Cup, 10 Fingers, Animal Sounds, etc.) until you are as wasted as you want to be. This is why Liter bottles of soda are always, ALWAYS on sale in grocery stores in college towns.

 

[_random_]

According to this, the Bible endorses drinking in moderation, but not drunkenness, in several passages.

Of course, the Bible also talks about Jesus giving wine to people who were already drunk, so even drunkenness could be okay in the right circumstances.