Tomatekh's New Civilizations

Skaz881 · Feb 25, 2014

And since I have a laptop that likely means I can't fix it..........(although it's strange that i don't have a similar problem with the Kibbitz or any official improvement.........)

Skaz881 · Feb 25, 2014

Tomatekh said:
Besides the Champa update (above) just a heads up for a few of the other minor updates I released over the past few days:

-Goths and Kievan Rus': Will now switch to alternative graphic files if you don't have Gods and Kings (will correct some uu display issues)
-Historical Religions (all three mods): Corrected the Kilwa reference (was still checking for the GK name), added support for all of Hiram's and LastSword's released civs (current support: my civs, Leugi's civs, More Civ civs, JFD's civs, Hiram's civs, LastSword's civs)
-Expanded Civlopedia Mod: Corrected some entries and added the Danish Beserker BNW changes (completely overlooked them).

Near future plans:
-Pontoon Bridge update
-Hittites update
-Timurids change Meroe city-state (overlap with Kilwa mod)
-Mali (add minor UI code)
-Sumer (minor buff based on feedback)
-Additional christian denominations pack for my historical religions mod
-Update Benin with new art by LastSword

And for people who didn't notice, JFD and Janboruta have been kind enough to provide YnAMP compatibility for my mods here. I'll more officially incorporate it once I replace Meroe in the Timruids mod.

Additional Christian denominations? Anglicanism and Presbyterianism perhaps?

Tomatekh · Feb 26, 2014

Skaz881 said:
Additional Christian denominations? Anglicanism and Presbyterianism perhaps?

I'm mainly looking to add four denominations in the pack

-Oriental Orthodoxy (when used as a stand-alone mod outside my other religions mods)
-Split Protestantism into Protestantism and Anglicanism
-Assyrian Church of the East/Nestorianism
-Latter Day Saints/Mormonism

I don't really have an estimate for when I'm releasing it. It's more to the bottom of my modding to do list.

Maguyver · Feb 26, 2014

As an LDS member; I've been secretly hoping that you'd maybe get around to doing a proper version for your mod. I'm very excited for this, even if it is at the bottom of your to do list! Thanks, Tomatekth!

Skaz881 · Feb 28, 2014

I was wondering how to enable the alternate unit graphics for the Dhurzina. At the moment it and JFD's Birkebeiner are using the same graphic and since the Dhurzina has an alternate I'd like to use it if I can.

Tomatekh · Feb 28, 2014

Skaz881 said:
I was wondering how to enable the alternate unit graphics for the Dhurzina. At the moment it and JFD's Birkebeiner are using the same graphic and since the Dhurzina has an alternate I'd like to use it if I can.

Kievan Rus Mod Folder -> SQL Folder -> Rus' GK DLC Edit File

Code:

UPDATE Units SET UnitArtInfo =
	( CASE WHEN EXISTS(SELECT Type FROM Civilizations WHERE Type="CIVILIZATION_CARTHAGE" )
		THEN "ART_DEF_UNIT_RUS_DRUZHINA_MOD"
		ELSE "ART_DEF_UNIT_RUS_DRUZHINA_MOD_ALT" END
    ) WHERE Type = "UNIT_KIEVAN_RUS_MOD";

Set both the art defines to use the _ALT one:

Code:

UPDATE Units SET UnitArtInfo =
	( CASE WHEN EXISTS(SELECT Type FROM Civilizations WHERE Type="CIVILIZATION_CARTHAGE" )
		THEN "ART_DEF_UNIT_RUS_DRUZHINA_MOD_ALT"
		ELSE "ART_DEF_UNIT_RUS_DRUZHINA_MOD_ALT" END
    ) WHERE Type = "UNIT_KIEVAN_RUS_MOD";

It only changes the unit graphic though, not the unit icon or strategic view icon

Skaz881 · Feb 28, 2014

Ah I see. Thank you for your help!

Tomatekh · Feb 28, 2014

Okay I have a bunch of minor updates done. I will probably post them all on Monday, as I haven't had time to test everything yet.

If I can find music for it, I will probably also post the Hittite update on Monday-Tuesday.

Tomatekh · Mar 1, 2014

So, to help me balance Champa, can people post what they think is the average gold per turn you earn in early, middle, late game?

I'm also maybe potentially rethinking my Hittite UA. Currently, with the planned update, I simply made it less situational (instead of with only friendly militaristic city states granting xp, I made it any allied city state but also lowered the per ally bonus and added a cap to the max bonus). The reason being, as there's proportionally less militaristic city states than the main three, it's very possible for no militaristic city states to spawn if you set a low city state number (and I didn't like a possible situation where you couldn't use your UA based on map size). But, I've actually really grown to like the second part of the UA (allied city states units have more strength) as it encourages proxy war situations (which is a different gameplay angle to stress in an ability) and having the help of military allies is very fitting for the Hittites. I'm thinking about maybe dropping the xp part and expanding the ally part to a full ability. I'm not sure how, though. I don't really want to go the influence route as I did that with the Rus', and I'd rather a strong ability you need to work to maintain.

turingmachine · Mar 1, 2014

Eh, I kind of like the Hittite XP bonus (especially if you're re-balancing it to work with any city state, which was the main problem with it before, IMO). But... if you can think of something cool to replace it with, go for it. Your new abilities are usually much more interesting than the old ones. I have to admit, I never really payed much attention to the city-state strength buff part of the UA. 20% is actually quite a big buff and could be really strong if you gift a lot of units (I might have to try to use it next time I play the Hittites). Honestly, if you were to make it the main focus, the most logical thing would be a buff when gifting units to encourage you to do it more, but you said you didn't really want to go with an influence ability.

Kuserab · Mar 2, 2014

On the Champa, I'm not exactly sure how much gpt I was earning - I'd have to check again. Through mid-game whenever I was at war it was about 12 gpt. Early game it was between zero and 2. It fluctuated around there - if I wasn't at war with someone though, it fell to about zero it felt like - in midgame I was getting say 2.5 average gold per turn from pirating trade routes passively.

Tomatekh · Mar 2, 2014

Kuserab said:
On the Champa, I'm not exactly sure how much gpt I was earning - I'd have to check again. Through mid-game whenever I was at war it was about 12 gpt. Early game it was between zero and 2. It fluctuated around there - if I wasn't at war with someone though, it fell to about zero it felt like - in midgame I was getting say 2.5 average gold per turn from pirating trade routes passively.

Oh I wasn't talking about in Champa games, specifically. The war gold bonus is ((Era Count+1)*(Blockade Count+2)). I know these current Champa values are too low, so I wanted some feedback at what people find to be the average gpt at different points in the game when not playing as Champa (and preferabbly without any mods that would significantly impact gold income), so I can more properly balance the Champa ability against those values.

I just wanted a wider data pool to draw from than my own experiences with the game. It might also help if people state the difficulty/speed they play on in case it varies widely enough that I would have to make specific adjustments for different speeds.

Also, thanks for the feedback with the passive cargo ships. That's the most situational of the bonuses and I really had no idea how that was playing out.

pyroflare77 · Mar 4, 2014

I'm getting a crash to desktop with the Kongo in a game. I'm using many mods, but twice now the game has stalled during the start of their turn and then crashed. If the details are in the logs, I have no clue where to work

Tomatekh · Mar 4, 2014

pyroflare77 said:
I'm getting a crash to desktop with the Kongo in a game. I'm using many mods, but twice now the game has stalled during the start of their turn and then crashed. If the details are in the logs, I have no clue where to work

If you have logging enabled (see), you can just post the entire lua log file (my games/civ 5/logs/lua next time it happens and I'll sort through it. (If this was the last time you played and you already had logging enabled, then the logs should still show that game and you can post the current file).

I'll look in my end. It's probably just some simple mistake I overlooked.

turingmachine · Mar 4, 2014

Do you have an estimate of when Champa will be completely finished and posted on Steam? (Or at least the next beta update with Leugi's art? The stand in graphics you're using for the well are hard to see on maps and I hate switching to strategic view just to remind myself where all the wells are. The posted design looks really cool and distinguishable!).

Also were there a bunch of updates yesterday?

Tomatekh · Mar 4, 2014

turingmachine said:
Do you have an estimate of when Champa will be completely finished and posted on Steam? (Or at least the next beta update with Leugi's art? The stand in graphics you're using for the well are hard to see on maps and I hate switching to strategic view just to remind myself where all the wells are. The posted design looks really cool and distinguishable!).

Also were there a bunch of updates yesterday?

No estimate; the civ is still being worked on.

And yes, I didn't have time to post all the updates so I will post more tonight. After everything is up I'll list the changes here.

Important note, all the civs (once their update is posted) now internally support YnAEMP so there's no need to use the patch JFD made once you update (all the update version numbers end in 8, so vs. 18, 28, or 38). (And again, a big thanks to JFD and Janboruta, as I would never have figured out the SQL formatting or all the coordinates on my own). Related to this, the Timurids now replace Samarqand with Sana'a instead of Meroe.

pyroflare77 · Mar 4, 2014

Ctrl+F for Kongo doesn't lead to anything conclusive, but there has to be a reason it crashes on their turn.

Spoiler :

Pouakai · Mar 4, 2014

Looks like it's an error with LS's civs, not the Kongo

LastSword · Mar 4, 2014

I believe error on loading LUA code is irrevelant with CTD during turn processing.

I think he have deleted those civ folders without editing the MODINFO (the mod file still try to load).
It is fine, those errors are harmless.

JFD · Mar 4, 2014

Make sure you're using the latest version of my Lithuania mod. That was causing crashes whenever the Samogitian Warrior would attack another unit. If Lithuania was in the game, then perhaps this was causing the crash.

Tomatekh's New Civilizations

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