Trump did much better than expected among minorities (edit: based on questionable exit polls)

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(EDIT: The exit polling cited below is dubious. It appears the exit polls used here did not conduct interviews in Spanish, so the results are going to disproportionately favor English-speaking Latinos. Latino Decisions has the margin based on actual votes at 78-19, in line with previous polling by that pollster. There still appears to be a lot of interesting variation; see site for more.)

One of the most interesting results of the night is that Trump's voter base is not actually all-white; it's still pretty white, being the GOP and all, but it appears to be less white than Mitt Romney's voters four years ago. The margin was 65-29 for Clinton among Latinos, compared to Obama's 71-27 margin among Hispanic voters four years ago. The margins would then be 36 points now versus 44 points then, for a swing of 8 percentage points to Trump. The black vote also appears to have reverted to its pre-Obama 80-point margin rather than the 2012 87-point margin. Meanwhile, the white margin went from 20 to 21 points; I would assume this is within the margin of error. College-educated whites and non-college educated whites did split by quite a bit, but the college-educated group still stayed 4 points more Republican than usual. The gender gap did get quite a bit wider as expected, but this is about the only demographic prediction that really came true.

Here's the link: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

It would appear that mainstream liberals greatly overestimated the role of racial demography in this election, and that Trump had substantial appeal to Latino citizens, presumably especially Latino men. I have a radical suggestion, which I got from the polling thread when inno predicted the polls were going to be crap and that dividing people up by demographic groups is both flawed and dehumanizing. I thought he was wrong, but as often happens, it turned out he had made the right call.

Is it possible that people really don't like being chopped up and treated as racial/religious/gender/etc. demographics, and is it possible that attitudes among different racial and ethnic groups are more similar to those of whites than liberals assumed? There are still big differences, obviously, but maybe we should dial back the use of race to explain everything.

Finally, is the fact that the Trump Train contains a significant number of Latino citizens going to have any moderating effect on how he will behave towards Latinos, or towards blacks?
 
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I am reading that Trump did well with the university educated women! Now thats a shocker...
 
He will have to back down a bit from his agenda regarding illegal immigrants, will not build any walls (realistically that's absurd and he knows it).

Being the head of state is much different than running to become one. Every decision a president makes can have huge consequences on the livelihood of the country's citizens as well as (it being USA) the citizens of the world. He will mellow out, already has (judging by his post-election speech), will have to act in an intelligent, dignified and reasonable manner from now on.

I think he will be a good president, and truly believe that's what he wants, for his own legacy. He's run successful business(es) in the past, he can run a country, and if not, he's always going to have his trusted (and hopefully very bright) advisors by his side.

Being a millionaire businessman is great but being a president means history will remember you, and I believe that's what he wants. On the other hand, can't ask for much more responsibility than that.

(if he effs it up, likely we're all going down, at least those who can't afford those bunkers)
 
One of the most interesting results of the night is that Trump's voter base is not actually all-white; it's still pretty white, being the GOP and all, but it appears to be less white than Mitt Romney's voters four years ago.

Trump was voicing his vision for America while the democrats where calling anyone who disagreed with them Nazis and rayyssiss. The far left's vision for America and their bully tactics have been utterly rejected.

Is it possible that people really don't like being chopped up and treated as racial/religious/gender/etc. demographics, and is it possible that attitudes among different racial and ethnic groups are more similar to those of whites than liberals assumed? There are still big differences, obviously, but maybe we should dial back the use of race to explain everything.

Yes.

Finally, is the fact that the Trump Train contains a significant number of Latino citizens going to have any moderating effect on how he will behave towards Latinos, or towards blacks?

That depends on whether, or not the left doubles down on their race baiting and fixation on gender and sex acts. I expect them to double down like always and polarize everyone even further, rather than admit they are wrong about some things. They are not going to accept the fact that they now have a republican controlled house, senate, and soon a supreme court with Trump as their president. Of course I speak about the left as it behaves are a group, not on an individual basis.

The left's rhetoric is clearly so out of touch with reality and what the country is actually thinking that it isn't even funny and this election demonstrated that.
 
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I admit I was wrong in thinking that an evenly divided election where the losing candidate actually received more votes than the winner meant that the ideas of the losing candidate were not outright rejected by her fellow countrymen. I merely thought she lost an election under the rules while still receiving the support of a very large segment of the population.
 
I admit I was wrong in thinking that an evenly divided election where the losing candidate actually received more votes than the winner meant that the ideas of the losing candidate were not outright rejected by her fellow countrymen. I merely thought she lost an election under the rules while still receiving the support of a very large segment of the population.

Way to make my point for me on the very next comment.

It wasn't an evenly divided election Trump won a very decisive victory.


Donald Trump (R) Winner
279Total
Electoral Votes


59,589,892 Popular Votes


Hillary Clinton (D)
228Total
Electoral Votes


59,796,498 Popular Votes
 
He won a decisive electoral victory. He received less votes than:

Clinton 2016
Obama 2012
Romney 2012
Obama 2008
McCain 2008

Let's face it, Trump's popularity is a lot like the size of his hands.
 
Get used to it. The left was also decisively rejected on the State level.

The left controls nothing. Not the presidency, not the house, not the senate, and soon not even the supreme court. If you call that "divided" well, lol.
 
I am reading that Trump did well with the university educated women! Now thats a shocker...

Everything I'm reading suggests this is due to the unlikeability of Clinton herself. Many of those women who voted for Trump said they wanted to see the first female president, they just didn't want it to be Hillary.
 
Is it possible that people really don't like being chopped up and treated as racial/religious/gender/etc. demographics, and is it possible that attitudes among different racial and ethnic groups are more similar to those of whites than liberals assumed?
That's one thing I often butt head with the US left-wingers on the forums, when I advocate a "colour-blind" answer to racism instead of a "positive discrimination" : positive discrimination is still discrimination, and making race the center of everything is still, in the end, promoting racism.
The end of racism isn't when there is tons of rules and laws which ensure exact same results for everyone according to their skin colour. The end of racism is when the skin colour isn't even thought about.

I'm pretty sure a non-negligeable amount of voters also are tired of being put into racial boxes.
 
Everything I'm reading suggests this is due to the unlikeability of Clinton herself. Many of those women who voted for Trump said they wanted to see the first female president, they just didn't want it to be Hillary.

Most people couldn't care less about the gender of the president. This was a stupid appeal to the left from the get-go and it's this kind of ideology that is utterly divorced from reality. Who in their right mind chooses a leader based on their gender?

I do admit, however that Clinton is unlikeable on a personal level, even the left thought so. Then there's other lists and lists of reason that have to do with her rhetoric, policy, and scandals. Then people are also just really angry at the left to top it all off.

Orange is the new black.

Red is the new blue.
 
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civman110, I know for sure you make decisions based on gender.

You also were sure Hillary was going to win in a landslide and conservatives were going to become politically irrelevant, so I'll take your opinions with a grain of salt.
 
I dunno, I'm hesitant to make any sweeping generalizations this early, especially given that the Dems lead with minority voters is still massive. If there's a trend that develops in 2020 and 2024 then it's time to reflect, but Trump was such a weird candidate, and Hillary and Tim were both white, so I don't know if any conclusions can be made right now, certainly not testable or evidence-based ones.
 
The left's rhetoric is clearly so out of touch with reality and what the country is actually thinking that it isn't even funny and this election demonstrated that.

We are going to find out which of us has been living inside the bubble. Clinton was deeply flawed with so much baggage, Trump though is going to be wired around the necks of the Republican party for four years.
Either we are right about the coming trainwreck based or Trump is going to pull an amazing Jacykle and Hyde act to be able to deliever, well deliver might be too much I would settle for not sinking the country.

Everything about hes pathological lying, cheating workers, vindictive behaviour, uncontroable ego, corruption in business dealing, not to mention shooting hes mouth of from time to time. Is a disaster waiting to happen.
You own Trump. just like we own Clinton.

I hope you made the right choice
 
Is it possible that people really don't like being chopped up and treated as racial/religious/gender/etc. demographics, and is it possible that attitudes among different racial and ethnic groups are more similar to those of whites than liberals assumed? There are still big differences, obviously, but maybe we should dial back the use of race to explain everything.

Finally, is the fact that the Trump Train contains a significant number of Latino citizens going to have any moderating effect on how he will behave towards Latinos, or towards blacks?

Well two of the Republican nominies were Rubio and Cruz. a large portion of Cuban citizens back the GOP
And Before 9-11 the vast majority of Muslims whom had conservative values backed G.W.Bush and the GOP

Its not really a suprise, though after reading about average ethnic trump supporters they seems fairly typical, and normal. Nothing like what we'd imagine to be what trump calls morons.
They seem almost like Liberals but like Trump for hes specific ideas on syrian refuggees, or bring back jobs, or more law and order. And like Democrates have been caught up in the election bubble machine
 
I suspect this is more a function of turnout shifts, with pre-existing Republican loyalists mostly ending up voting for the Republican in nearly the same numbers as previous elections, but enthusiasm and gotv decline from Obama levels, and increased post-VRA voter suppression, impacting the Democrat votes.

There's also a lot of dispute about that exit poll Latino figure because it jives so poorly with what surveys of Latinos were saying.
 
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