Tune in Dec. 6 to watch prop. 8 be struck down

[GenMarshall]

Let me put it this way, I was a LOT MORE upset about UHC then I was about Prop 8 being overturned. And I'd gladly allow gay marriage in every state to get abortion overturned in one state.

So you are happy to refuse one right to give a right to another?

On what grounds?

You completely missed the point

 

[civver_764]

I don't find it to be the same thing.

What?

And besides, I don't give a crap about the UN. If you want to prove something is a right, give me logical reason why it is.

Yeah I did, you just ignored it. It's a right because people have a right to be treated equally.

And are you saying we shouldn't respect international agreements?

 

[Brian Shanahan]

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Well, I don't know much about ancient history, but I'm sure that probably was how it was long ago in the past. But that's irrelevant.

So even though you're basing your arguement on an interpretation of the bible, you turn around and then declare it to be irrelevant. Wow way to destroy your own arguement. That's a level of that I can't even come close to managing when drunk on poitín.

 

[History_Buff]

And besides, I don't give a crap about the UN. If you want to prove something is a right, give me logical reason why it is.

And besides, I don't give a crap about the Bible. If you want to prove something should be done a certain way, give me a logical reason why it should be.

 

[Newbunkle]

It sucks that some people would prefer marriage to be more about discrimination than love.

 

[Arakhor]

If you want to prove something is a right, give me logical reason why it is.

If only we could keep you to the same standard, Domination, we'd have much more profitable debates.

 

[Traitorfish]

It sucks that some people would prefer marriage to be more about discrimination than love.

Well, as long as we can all remember what weddings are really about.

 

[Holycannoli]

I'm against gay marriage because I belive it's a holy sacrament between a man and a woman who can potentially procreate. Homosexuals can never procreate and thus the marriage can never be holy; it is unnatural and incompatible.

EDIT: I have to stress I find it holy, not merely legal. I don't even consider marriages by a justice of the peace to be true marriages.

 

[Ajidica]

I'm against gay marriage because I belive it's a holy sacrament between a man and a woman who can potentially procreate.

So no marriage for infertile couple or couples who are too old?

Homosexuals can never procreate and thus the marriage can never be holy; it is unnatural and incompatible.

Does this belief stem from the Bible? If so, I would appreciate passages confirming your assertion.

Additionally, if marriage is to be taken as a religious issue, why is the secular state even involved granting benefits and other legal rights?

 

[MobBoss]

If we go beyond the United States and look at all of human history, then we certainly get a more varied view on everything. Which is something to consider unless we're subscribing to exceptionalism.

Why would we do that, though?

Seriously, what does marriage today in the USA have anything to do with how other cultures approached it throughout history? Its not like we can suddenly change our culture and embrace something utterly foreign to how we have been doing things for the last several hundred years.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Why would we do that, though?

Seriously, what does marriage today in the USA have anything to do with how other cultures approached it throughout history? Its not like we can suddenly change our culture and embrace something utterly foreign to how we have been doing things for the last several hundred years.

You mean like the internet?

 

[MobBoss]

You mean like the internet?

Which pertains how?

 

[Traitorfish]

I'm against gay marriage because I belive it's a holy sacrament between a man and a woman who can potentially procreate. Homosexuals can never procreate and thus the marriage can never be holy; it is unnatural and incompatible.

EDIT: I have to stress I find it holy, not merely legal. I don't even consider marriages by a justice of the peace to be true marriages.

My granny doesn't consider Protestant marriages to be "holy" either. What say ye to that?

Why would we do that, though?

Seriously, what does marriage today in the USA have anything to do with how other cultures approached it throughout history? Its not like we can suddenly change our culture and embrace something utterly foreign to how we have been doing things for the last several hundred years.

Mate, you're America. "The melting pot". The great multicultural republic. That is kinda your whole deal.

 

[illram]

I have two things to say in this thread:

1) A contradiction in terms is a "libertarian" arguing for the government's right to restrict people's liberty, or infringe upon people's freedom to associate with one another within their own individual, private relationships.

2) A betting man always bets on the Court to punt difficult Constitutional issues when they can punt them, safely, with a ruling on standing. My bet is on the Punt.

 

[Ajidica]

Which pertains how?

Its not like we can suddenly change our culture and embrace something utterly foreign to how we have been doing things for the last several hundred years.

For hundreds of years we wrote letters to each other. Practicaly overnight that has been replaced with emails. I say we did pretty good with changing our culture and embracing something that was utterly foreign to how we have been doing things for the last several hundred years.

 

[JollyRoger]

Seriously, what does marriage today in the USA have anything to do with how other cultures approached it throughout history?

Exactly. In the relatively short history of marriage in the U.S., we have had changes to people eligible to marry each other. This openess to a fluid definition should be embraced instead of relying on foreign models that exhibit less flexibility.

 

[civver_764]

I'm against gay marriage because I belive it's a holy sacrament between a man and a woman who can potentially procreate. Homosexuals can never procreate and thus the marriage can never be holy; it is unnatural and incompatible.

EDIT: I have to stress I find it holy, not merely legal. I don't even consider marriages by a justice of the peace to be true marriages.

Get your intolerant Christian views the hell out of here.

 

[Ajidica]

Get your intolerant Christian views the hell out of here.

If we didn't interact with him, how could we sway his beliefs?

 

[civver_764]

If we didn't interact with him, how could we sway his beliefs?

It was a reference to this:

Get your intolerant atheist views the hell out of here.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9945620&postcount=138

 

[MobBoss]

Mate, you're America. "The melting pot". The great multicultural republic. That is kinda your whole deal.

Yeah, but people come here to embrace our culture, not vice versa.

For hundreds of years we wrote letters to each other. Practicaly overnight that has been replaced with emails. I say we did pretty good with changing our culture and embracing something that was utterly foreign to how we have been doing things for the last several hundred years.

Writing a letter on paper then mailing it simply isnt 'utterly foreign' to writing it on a screen then sending it with a button. Please.

In fact, its the same exact action, just modernized a bit to be made easier and more efficient.

Not really comparable...at all, to considering what anicent mayans may have done in regards to marriage and how it applies today (i.e. not at all).