Turkey will destroy the EU - at least in fiction

[h4ppy]

I believe the United States would get involved to help those who helped us in Iraq. DEFINITELY NOT FRANCE and I don't think Germany.

Yeah, and Turkey did alot to help us when they wouldn't let our troops in, same with Russia and their veto threat.

 

[Gr3yL3gion]

His frequent travels in Asia, he said, have led him to conclude that Turkey's future rests in an "eastern alliance" rather than in the West.

Hmm, that's an interesting idea.

 

[Masquerouge]

<Edit - I do realize that in the book they have both become fascist -- also highly unlikely IMHO.>

Well, both were, quite recently. I'm sure after a few decades, some people will have forgotten everything, and it might start all over again.

The biggest difference is that the EU forced cooperation on such a level that a war between France and Germany is now almost impossible to envision.

 

[Bigfoot]

Well, both were, quite recently. I'm sure after a few decades, some people will have forgotten everything, and it might start all over again.

The biggest difference is that the EU forced cooperation on such a level that a war between France and Germany is now almost impossible to envision.

I would have thought that a return to fascism would be unthinkable, at least for a majority of the people. At its core fascism is militaristic, and is based on nationalistic and xenophobic ideals. Those impulses are contrary to the founding principles of the EU. Of course I don't want to speak out of place, my perspective is limited to that of one Californian.

 

[AceChilla]

He says Turks don't really care about Europe, and that they can better ally with the Asian states. And on the other hand he is so frustrated that Turkey can't get in he writes a book about how the Turks will crush us and oblitarate Europe.

This guy definitaly needs a shrink so solve his frustration.

I wonder what the reaction would be to a bestselling European book, where Europe chrushes the Arab world, obliterate it and carves it up. Ow thats called a history book

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

Clancy is also an idiot, and his books sell very well too. Nothing new here.

Except Clancy is not an idiot. I haven't read much of his fiction, but his non-fiction is on target.

Although the book he wrote may be way off-base, the author has a point that Turkey should try to be economically linked to the East.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I believe the United States would get involved to help those who helped us in Iraq. DEFINITELY NOT FRANCE and I don't think Germany.

Wouldn't really be Turkey either.

Of course, its in the US's interest to not have them fighting each other, since a peaceful Europe is advantagious to us.

BTW, I try not to get upset by fiction. It allows me not to get upset by a book that sells well in Istanbul.

 

[Masquerouge]

I would have thought that a return to fascism would be unthinkable, at least for a majority of the people. At its core fascism is militaristic, and is based on nationalistic and xenophobic ideals. Those impulses are contrary to the founding principles of the EU. Of course I don't want to speak out of place, my perspective is limited to that of one Californian.

I really hope that, too

 

[storealex]

Germany alone could crush any Turkish invasion. The scenario is ridiculous in all aspects. The scary thing is that he is so popular among young Turks.

 

[Elrohir]

In "The Third World War," Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of California has become president of the United States and supports Europe's offensive against Turkey. He provides backing through a secret pagan society, the Brotherhood of Death, that seeks global domination and is meant to represent U.S. neoconservatives.

This guy knows nothing of US politics. First, it would require a Constitutional Amendment to allow Schwarzenegger to become President - that's not going to happen. Second, "The Brotherhood of Death"? That sounds like something out of Mutant Ninja Turtles. And finally, even a Turkish-Russian alliance couldn't take all of Europe. Especially since the US is bound by the NATO agreement to defend it's allies against a European invasion, and that was crafted with Russia in mind.

Even today, with our army tied up in Iraq, our air support alone would be formidable, and combined with the still-not-that-shabby French and German armies and air forces (Although they don't have any F-22's or JSF ) and the UK's navy, the Turkish-Russian alliance land forces would be destroyed before they reached Warsaw or Belgrade. They would lose the war.

 

[Babbler]

<Edit - I do realize that in the book they have both become fascist -- also highly unlikely IMHO.>

That part reminded me of Le Pen and Hader. I don't see as impossible, with a longer time line and the prevailing condition ripe for their return. But Europe falling back into fascist hands in five years! Impossible!

It would be sublime irony if the Turkey-EU affair ended with the Turks losing interest in joining. Well, I've honestly never understood why Turkey ('s political class) is so keen to join.

They be trying to westernize the country for 80 years; joining the European Union would be the ultimate expression of that goal.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Turkish commandos besiege Berlin, obliterate Europe and take control of the Continent.

Turkish forces wouldn't make it past the superb bottleneck that exists in their own country and if they did they would be greeted by more Leopard IIs then they have bullets. And how can the US not get involved if it's bases are in a country that is being invaded? In fact Turkey would be surrounded by US forces if you include Iraq, not that Europe would need them.

 

[kronic]

Germany alone could crush any Turkish invasion. The scenario is ridiculous in all aspects. The scary thing is that he is so popular among young Turks.

Indeed, that's scary.

I don't even see how the Turks could be able to actually build up large armies thousands of kilometers away from their home (not to mention that they'd need to get through half the EU).

 

[Sophie 378]

Would someone make this into a Civ3 scenario? It sounds fun!

 

[Masquerouge]

Would someone make this into a Civ3 scenario? It sounds fun!

yes indeed ! But playing the Turks would not be very fun

 

[Hitro]

Of course this is funny taken as a book only. And I'd definetely want to read it.

But the scary aspect of this is that it highlights the extreme nature of Turkish nationalism. I mean, in most countries a guy writing books about his country nuking Washington (and apparently getting away with it?) and defeating the whole European Union (which apparently doesn't use nukes...) would be laughed at and not taken to be representative of any sort of anywhere near common sentiment.
In the case of Turkey that goes well in line with their official doctrine of a selective view on history (genocide? what genocide?) and the rampant nationalism and cultural "superiority complex" their emigrants export all over Europe, which in part is the reason for the distrust towards Turkey within European populations.

 

[Winner]

Except Clancy is not an idiot. I haven't read much of his fiction, but his non-fiction is on target.

Although the book he wrote may be way off-base, the author has a point that Turkey should try to be economically linked to the East.

To the East? You mean what? Russia? China? Sorry, but it sounds as foolishness to me. They have the second strongest economy in the world right on their borders and they want to integrate with the East? Maybe they should try Iran

 

[The Last Conformist]

Except Clancy is not an idiot. I haven't read much of his fiction, but his non-fiction is on target.

Clancy writes non-fiction? I didn't know that.

I only know him as a fiction writer, and his fiction is idiotic.

 

[Grisu]

that book sure sound fun

if clancy wrote that book, europe would be losing badly, being overrun by millions of turkish tanks, until the US Prez sends us a single tank brigade to help together with 5 apaches, that would obliterate the turkish army single handedly

 

[Winner]

that book sure sound fun

if clancy wrote that book, europe would be losing badly, being overrun by millions of turkish tanks, until the US Prez sends us a single tank brigade to help together with 5 apaches, that would obliterate the turkish army single handedly

And some US hacker team would spread havoc in Turkish communications