nonconformist
Miserable
I suppsoe he meant the firing squads of the First World War.
U.S. deserter or conscientious objector ?
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nonconformist said:
First world war is 1914-1918 Right ? so its 20 th century right?
But thats not the point, what could justify the murder of an innocent conscientious objector for military/political/sterotypes/lack of knowledge...ect...ect... reason ?
The irony is i am pretty sure he is christian, would he have kill Jesus for not enlisting in the army ?
You're missing the point. Nobody's punishing anyone for not enlisting. Mejia did not go through the proper channels to find out what he could and could not do. Maybe he wouldn't have been able to stay home, but maybe conduct other missions in the back lines like in Kuwait or some other capacity.
His unit was supposed to return to the theatre after the two weeks of leave. He did not show up for several months. That is desertion. He never notified his superiors of his intentions nor did he research and find ways to change his situation once he got home for his leave.
You seem perfectly content to let any soldier do as he wishes. That would undermine the entire concept of a military. Soldiers that are assigned to report to a base in the United States, far away from the front line, must do so. For you, if all the soldiers packed up and went to Idaho or Tijuana, that'd be perfectly fine. I'm sorry, I don't think you understand the military and its roles and functions.
His unit was supposed to return to the theatre after the two weeks of leave. He did not show up for several months. That is desertion. He never notified his superiors of his intentions nor did he research and find ways to change his situation once he got home for his leave.
You seem perfectly content to let any soldier do as he wishes. That would undermine the entire concept of a military. Soldiers that are assigned to report to a base in the United States, far away from the front line, must do so. For you, if all the soldiers packed up and went to Idaho or Tijuana, that'd be perfectly fine. I'm sorry, I don't think you understand the military and its roles and functions.
The Yankee,
But my point is exactly that psychological distrese can lead to such behavior, under military domination it is far from easy to admit ,that you are a peaceful C.O. . You are immediatly rejected by that kind of ''community" and human mind is very sensitive to rejection, especialy under unjustified reason.
It just kinda brake appart some unconscieness strucure and you have to built them again over time under satifiying moral concept.
But my point is exactly that psychological distrese can lead to such behavior, under military domination it is far from easy to admit ,that you are a peaceful C.O. . You are immediatly rejected by that kind of ''community" and human mind is very sensitive to rejection, especialy under unjustified reason.
It just kinda brake appart some unconscieness strucure and you have to built them again over time under satifiying moral concept.
But you make it sound like they would never have considered either discharging Mejia or reassigning him. He didn't even bother to try. If you're at work and your boss gives you something you don't like or may not be equipped to handle, you don't just not show up for three weeks and come back later. No, you talk it over and try to come to at least a compromise.
It's the same principle to this case.
It's the same principle to this case.
zulu9812
The Newbie Nightmare
The Yankee said:
Of course, that would have made deserting later on much more difficult
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
Smellincoffee said:
me too
now if they'd just get around to fileing the paper work we can execute the president for deserting.
Anyway I believe executions by firing squad was only for the most serious offenses. Such as deserting in battle.
King Alexander
Universe explorer
Punished by death? Maybe you're a bit confused??? That law is active only in war periods and applies not only in U.S, but in the Armies of ALL nations. Is U.S at war? Has someone invade the country and I don't know?YotoKiller said:
Shadylookin
master debater
I don't think people who voluntarily join should be able to up and quit when they please. At least not after the government spent money training them.
He was probably a guy who thought he could play the system(they do receive very good benifits) and never actually have to fight. Then when the going got tough he up and ran, then months later after it turned out Iraq was a lie for the most part figured he could try the old it was an unjust war and I didn't want to kill anyone act and it didn't pay off. Since he was probably a stupid kid that never read the fine print I think 1 year is not to much nor to little(as opposed to much harsher penalties)
He was probably a guy who thought he could play the system(they do receive very good benifits) and never actually have to fight. Then when the going got tough he up and ran, then months later after it turned out Iraq was a lie for the most part figured he could try the old it was an unjust war and I didn't want to kill anyone act and it didn't pay off. Since he was probably a stupid kid that never read the fine print I think 1 year is not to much nor to little(as opposed to much harsher penalties)
PHSikes
Retired Squid
King Alexander said:
While I don't have a copy of the UCMJ (which applies only to the US) in front of me Art 86 (Unauthorized Absence or UA) and Art 87 (?) (Desertion)should be rigidly enforced or you have no military. And yes, the US is at War. Haven't you heard of the 'War on Terrorism'? He does have an appeal process that starts automaticaly. This guy is no E-1 private that doesn't know any better. He should have gone back to his unit and started the C.O. process. It's not like the process is that hard to find, but it does take a lot of background to prove your statements.
BTW the last time the US executed someone for Desertion was in WWII, Private Ernie Slovic, there's even a movie on it.
King Alexander
Universe explorer
@PHSikes: if you consider the "War on Terrorism" a real war, then you don't know how a war is and how it affects the lives of the people in a country.
I agree with you that this guy should be punished by the military laws, and that's what happened.
I agree with you that this guy should be punished by the military laws, and that's what happened.
philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
thats why 8000 nazi soldiers got executed becuase they told jokes about the regimenonconformist said:
El Justo
Deity
Neomega said:
the $87 billion congressional oxymoron
deserters are cowards and should be dealt w/ appropriately
if you enlist, you have a job to do. leave the active protests/contientious objections to the civilians.
samildanach
Necrophile
Either way the guy is a coward. I agree with Zulu that one should refuse to participate in war crimes even if ordered to commit them. But desertion isn't an option. One kills the superior who ordered you to commit them and leave the brass to cover it up while assuring them of your discretion. You won't be asked twice.
