UK Politics VI - Will Britain Steir to Karmer Waters?

[Mega Tsunami]

Starmer did a lot better than expected in his kowtowing to Trump yesterday, so hats off for that. There was even talk of a ‘quick trade deal’.
Of course he had two big, big things in his favour:

1. We are not in the EU – Trump’s second biggest enemy, it seems, after China.
2. The invitation for a state visit from the King. Trump clearly loved that. Soft power of the Monarchy on show. Republicans take note.

Trump might well be invited to talk in the House this time. (Last time that horrible little squirt of a speaker, John Berkow, stopped it.)
Of course I would rather it was JD Vance giving them a lecture on free speech, but hopefully Trump will do that.

 

[Yeekim]

And so the cops visited her and told her that what she posted was a ‘non-crime hate incident.’
This is nothing more than Stasi-like intimidation to shut her up.

As I'm desperately trying to imagine something that could justify this... could it be that the police is either required to notify people when complaints are raised against them (or has internally decided to do so as a courtesy) regardless of whether they find the complaint justified or not?

 

[EnglishEdward]

I rather think that the police have, in many parts of Britain, got themselves confused between customer service, the law and wokery.

 

[Gorbles]

Ah yes, the police, famously getting on with "wokery"

As I'm desperately trying to imagine something that could justify this... could it be that the police is either required to notify people when complaints are raised against them (or has internally decided to do so as a courtesy) regardless of whether they find the complaint justified or not?

Yes, procedure dictates they take complaints seriously nomatter how unserious or lacking in evidence they may be. This is good, because it means legitimate complaints cannot be undermined (in theory).

Whether or not the police should be doing this in the first place (as I was talking about with Samson) is a whole other thing.

 

[EnglishEdward]

In my mind there should be a distinction in the process of responding to:

(a) people making complaints about the police and
(b) people making complaints to the police about third parties.

 

[Senethro]

Assuming any offense type and a functional police: Would you rather know or not know? Would you rather first contact when you're on their radar or when it's already at the level of criminal offense?

 

[Samson]

Assuming any offense type and a functional police: Would you rather know or not know? Would you rather first contact when you're on their radar or when it's already at the level of criminal offense?

That depends on the mortality rate of the police visit.

 

[EnglishEdward]

I am with @ Samson here, the police should be investigating crimes, not non crimes.

 

[Senethro]

What about when it's your kid?

 

[Samson]

What about when it's your kid?

What kid? We are talking about Allison Pearson's tweet?

If you mean just about police contact with my kid, I will refer you to this

Spoiler Police strip searches of childen :

Source

and

Police in England and Wales strip search a child every 19 hours, sometimes fail to carry out those searches correctly, and disproportionately search Black children, the country's Children's Commissioner said on Monday.

 

[Senethro]

Ok, it was foolish of me to talk about an ideal police given that we only have the actual police.

But just glancing at one of the un-paywalled articles, it was complaining about how shoplifting has increased X%age since 2020, why aren't the police doing something about that? Thats about as open "Go harass them instead of me" as it gets. Thats people getting dinner however they can. Thats a social problem, not an enforcement one.

If the police are now only good for political and economic harassment, why are we bothering with them? What outcome do people even want out of all this?

 

[Samson]

But just glancing at one of the un-paywalled articles, it was complaining about how shoplifting has increased X%age since 2020, why aren't the police doing something about that? Thats about as open "Go harass them instead of me" as it gets. Thats people getting dinner however they can. Thats a social problem, not an enforcement one.

I linked the grudiad article about organised multi-person shoplifting going unattended by police (though actually they did turn up to that one). Is it "them instead of me" to say that organised group thefts from local facilities with implied violence is really the sort of thing we have a police force to stop, and visiting jornos at there homes for saying the wrong thing is not?

Looking at the photos the police that turned up at the jornos house were not in uniform. What does that say about their salary? How much did it cost us to have those two ring her doorbell?

The robbery:

Then, right next to me, a man started to slither through the adjacent service hatch. The first I made of it was that the friction of his body against the counter was pulling his trousers down. I was close enough to see the whites of his pants, which were not that white. I thought: “That young man should really wear a belt next time he tries to hijack the till-cockpit of a Co-op.” Then: “NO WAY! That young man is hijacking the Co-op!”

He was wearing a face bandana, so he had at least got that far with his accessorising, and he yelled at the lady to get out from behind the tills, then let his two friends in. It was a classic in-through-the-trapdoor, open-the-drawbridge manoeuvre. The manager was on the phone to the police, saying in neutral tones: “Robbery in progress, robbers in the building,” as they piled cigarettes into three giant bags-for-life, which they had definitely stolen from their mums in advance.

 

[Senethro]

I linked the grudiad article about organised multi-person shoplifting going unattended by police (though actually they did turn up to that one). Is it "them instead of me" to say that organised group thefts from local facilities with implied violence is really the sort of thing we have a police force to stop, and visiting jornos at there homes for saying the wrong thing is not?

Looking at the photos the police that turned up at the jornos house were not in uniform. What does that say about their salary? How much did it cost us to have those two ring her doorbell?

The robbery:

Then, right next to me, a man started to slither through the adjacent service hatch. The first I made of it was that the friction of his body against the counter was pulling his trousers down. I was close enough to see the whites of his pants, which were not that white. I thought: “That young man should really wear a belt next time he tries to hijack the till-cockpit of a Co-op.” Then: “NO WAY! That young man is hijacking the Co-op!”It was a classic in-through-the-trapdoor, open-the-drawbridge manoeuvre. The manager was on the phone to the police, saying in neutral tones: “Robbery in progress, robbers in the building,” as they piled cigarettes into three giant bags-for-life, which they had definitely stolen from their mums in advance.

He was wearing a face bandana, so he had at least got that far with his accessorising, and he yelled at the lady to get out from behind the tills, then let his two friends in. It was a classic in-through-the-trapdoor, open-the-drawbridge manoeuvre. The manager was on the phone to the police, saying in neutral tones: “Robbery in progress, robbers in the building,” as they piled cigarettes into three giant bags-for-life, which they had definitely stolen from their mums in advance.

Yeah, big gap between shoplifting and a medium sized robbery as part of organized crime.

 

[Yeekim]

Thats people getting dinner however they can

Pretty sure UK has food stamps? Soup kitchens?

I'll bet my left testicle that expensive alcohol, perfumes and cosmetics are among the most shoplifted goods ever.

 

[Senethro]

Pretty sure UK has food stamps? Soup kitchens?

I'll bet my left testicle that expensive alcohol, perfumes and cosmetics are among the most shoplifted goods ever.

I never see them on an unmanaged display - though it may vary by location. Thats an indication that in the past they certainly were.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Alcohol and tobacco are.

As for expensive perfume and cosmetics, it is known that there are
a lot of fakes about which lowers the resale value of stolen goods.

 

[Gorbles]

Pretty sure UK has food stamps? Soup kitchens?

How the UK’s social security system stopped tackling poverty

The next government should restore the value of benefits to cover the costs of living.

theconversation.com

As an aside, soup kitchens and the like are often overwhelmingly run by volunteers / charities. This is not in any way a comprehensive or government-run scheme that would actually aid everyone who needs it.

 

[Samson]

UK Gov deleteing their advice to use Apples ADP

Old advice from the UK National Cyber Security Centre:

Now they have forced ADP from the url that, and any mention of encryption, has now disappeared from here, and it looks like they have clumsily deleted pages: