UKIP go from strength to strength

[Traitorfish]

Well, UKIP loves gay people. I mean, I assume that they do, given how often they tell us that Moslems are all terrible homophobes, so how could they possibly object to the intermingling of gay and patriotic symbolism? Ideally, we could throw in a bunch of feminist and Jewish symbolism, too, really stick it to those sexist, ant-Semitic Moslem types. Just turn the whole thing into a big lesbian Purim: what fault could the average UKIP voter possibly find with that?

 

[jackelgull]

Well, UKIP loves gay people. I mean, I assume that they do, given how often they tell us that Moslems are all terrible homophobes, so how could they possibly object to the intermingling of gay and patriotic symbolism? Ideally, we could throw in a bunch of feminist and Jewish symbolism, too, really stick it to those sexist, ant-Semitic Moslem types. Just turn the whole thing into a big lesbian Purim: what fault could the average UKIP voter possibly find with that?

Unless of course UKIP and Farage are hypocrites but that can't be true, because I have it on good authority that UKIP is the only honest party in all of England.

Though it is important to note that tolerating homosexuals is different from hating them as those damn Moslems seem to do, and encouraging them is a whole other matter.

 

[Truronian]

Tell me, how exactly was more money spent on black students? That's quite a claim, and not one backed up by my experience in education.

You haven't answered this Quackers.

 

[useless]

He never answered my question on whether he considers non-white english people to be any less or more english, either. Almost as if he's dodging questions he dislikes or finds uncomfortable!

 

[gay_Aleks]

For the Remembrance Sunday in my local town we hung, drawn and quartered some immigrants and then sang songs glorifying war and hoping for even bloodier future wars.

Please, someone tell me this is sarcasm. I swear to God, this is an incantation of Poe's law so pure in that case, it requires to be preserved for future generations.

Also, probably I should stay out of England when I immigrate.

 

[Borachio]

The views (sarcasm or not) expressed by Mr Q are representative of only a tiny minority of the English population.

Also, it should be "hanged, drew and quartered". "Hung" is what happens to meat, people are "hanged", but never mind.

 

[Flying Pig]

And drawn is a passive participle but Quackers intends to convey an active meaning... the joys of learning Latin.

 

[Borachio]

I wonder if there's an inverse correlation between far right views and knowledge of grammar.

 

[Arakhor]

"Hung" is what happens to meat, people are "hanged", but never mind.

I say that curtains are hung, but otherwise, absolutely.

 

[Quackers]

I wonder if there's an inverse correlation between far right views and knowledge of grammar.

Nothing "far-right" about my views.

Just sensible, evidence based opinion.

 

[Arakhor]

Many people would disagree, Quackers.

 

[Hygro]

He never answered my question on whether he considers non-white english people to be any less or more english, either. Almost as if he's dodging questions he dislikes or finds uncomfortable!

Quackers dodging questions? Unheard of.

 

[Quackers]

Many people would disagree, Quackers.

That's because the average CFCer, and British CFCer at that, is quite left-wing. Definitely further to the left than the average Joe McBritishLad.

Traitorfish is a far-left socialist anarchist. Basically a Marxist.
Useless is a SJW and is fanatical about it.
At the least Mr Truro, Mr FP, Mr Arakhor are all on the fringes of the most left-wing parts of the Labour party.

The main difference is social issues. Whilst I'm a race and culture realist of sorts, the rest of you think we can have a world where all cultures can come together, sing Kumbaya and live in peace. Personally as a student of history and politics i've realised such goals are undesirable..just see how much the world is in conflict based upon ethnic/racial/religious lines and see how making so many fault lines in Britain will lead to trouble in the future. Fact.

 

[Quackers]

Lefties are amazing at this. They have no shame. You are a bit right-wing? Well you are disgusting and should resign!

If I ever get into any position of power, I'll lead my own purges.

 

[Hygro]

That's because the average CFCer, and British CFCer at that, is quite left-wing. Definitely further to the left than the average Joe McBritishLad.

Traitorfish is a far-left socialist anarchist. Basically a Marxist.
Useless is a SJW and is fanatical about it.
At the least Mr Truro, Mr FP, Mr Arakhor are all on the fringes of the most left-wing parts of the Labour party.

The main difference is social issues. Whilst I'm a race and culture realist of sorts, the rest of you think we can have a world where all cultures can come together, sing Kumbaya and live in peace. Personally as a student of history and politics i've realised such goals are undesirable..just see how much the world is in conflict based upon ethnic/racial/religious lines and see how making so many fault lines in Britain will lead to trouble in the future. Fact.

The secret is that the financialization of all cultures slowly eliminates meaningful cultural differences such that they become flavors and bents of the same underlying moral code. Combine economic incentives+necessity with a contemporary education and opposition to the historical process becomes unlikely.

Basically what I'm saying is that if you're an actual realist you'll realize the real reason multiculturalism is a sham is because there aren't going to be distinctly different cultures in a meaningful, disharmonious way. The singularity of society is nearly upon us.

 

[Quackers]

The secret is that the financialization of all cultures slowly eliminates meaningful cultural differences such that they become flavors and bents of the same underlying moral code. Combine economic incentives+necessity with a contemporary education and opposition to the historical process becomes unlikely.

Basically what I'm saying is that if you're an actual realist you'll realize the real reason multiculturalism is a sham is because there aren't going to be distinctly different cultures in a meaningful, disharmonious way. The singularity of society is nearly upon us.

And what if you're wrong?
We end up with a divided country.

It isn't worth the risk.

 

[jackelgull]

I agree that capitalism makes societies more materialistic and obsessed with wealth, but the individualism of the West is unique from the rest of the world. I would argue that occasionally it borders on narcissism and self worship, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Senethro]

look out folks, race realism itt, thats the domen signal being shone on the clouds

 

[Arakhor]

the least Mr Truro, Mr FP, Mr Arakhor are all on the fringes of the most left-wing parts of the Labour party.

Given the views of “New Labour” and its centre-right position, that’s really not difficult. If you mean 'old' Labour, not a chance.

 

[Hygro]

And what if you're wrong?
We end up with a divided country.

It isn't worth the risk.

It's been happening for hundreds of years. Hell, I'm citing conservative intellectuals talking about this. The liberals think we get to have it because we pushed culture forward. Eh, sort of. Rather, "they" (a non-conspiracy of market forces, disorganized oligarchic interests, historical momentum) allowed the next stage to both happen and be deemed necessary for capital accumulation and that gave room for progressives to push past reactionaries so that we could catch up to our potential.

Or, more simply, it's already settled. Yes, of course you will find examples to validate your fears. The world is a noisy place so you will always have counter-trends. It all reads like you smoked bad weed and took it seriously. I'm serious, hit the gym, eat healthy, #rek some folks on starcraft, and start pursuing a passion that can earn you money and don't worry about this stuff. Get laid with someone who likes you. Suddenly Britain won't look like it's in as much trouble.

I agree that capitalism makes societies more materialistic and obsessed with wealth, but the individualism of the West is unique from the rest of the world. I would argue that occasionally it borders on narcissism and self worship, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

That's not what I'm saying, even if that's also true—though I doubt the distinction between east and west. Korea, Japan, been-had urban China all qualify as "western" if commodified individualism is the definition of western.

What I had meant was that capitalism is such a powerful social system that when capitalism spreads to a new place, it demotes the old system to a flavor rather than a meaningful agent.

It makes being Muslim in the US increasingly as meaningfully different as baptist vs methodist. And eventually as meaningfully different as baptist vs methodist growing up nonreligious agnostic in a city where your religious identity matters about as much as when two white people get together and count all their different European heritages they have. I.e. that it has zero impact on their life beyond these conversations and occasional personal fetishes.