Unfortunate geographic losers

[NedimNapoleon]

Bosnia, some say east some say west, we were the Ottoman border for years, and it was constintly at war with Austria.

 

[warpus]

"(...) it is a standard custom among this nobility to say, that their chests are the strongholds of Poland"

- Sebastian Cefali, 1665

*inserts image of busty Polish women*

 

[Winner]

Because the spice oil pipelines must flow be protected.

Pipelines from nowhere to nowhere? Don't be silly. And in any case, the local Fremen population is what's bothersome; if it wasn't for the Landsraad's ban on nukes, ruling Afghanistan the Great Glass Desert would be pretty easy

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

However, look at Germany... It is one of those "middle ground" places... open to attack from France in the West, Italia/Austria in the south, Poland/Russia/Czech in the East, and by way of the north, the UK and Scandanavia... Yet they have done a pretty good job! Even in the times before unification.

Germany before unification? You must consider that it took some time for France to unite as well and it had enough trouble with England. Austria was for most time just one of the provinces of HRE. Italian unification didnt go along easy either( the Italian nort was part of HRE). Poland needed german knigts to fight the baltic pagans. Czech as vasal and then part of HRE was colaborator not a threat. Denmark managed to stay out of HRE but thats about it- the rest of Scandinavia with occasional exceptions have had enough trouble with itself. So the HRE has proved to be a decently working defensive pact who could rely on its sheer strenght of numbers and up to date armament and as a protector of Rome and christianity it was well stabilized as well.

 

[kochman]

Germany before unification? You must consider that it took some time for France to unite as well and it had enough trouble with England. Austria was for most time just one of the provinces of HRE. Italian unification didnt go along easy either( the Italian nort was part of HRE). Poland needed german knigts to fight the baltic pagans. Czech as vasal and then part of HRE was colaborator not a threat. Denmark managed to stay out of HRE but thats about it- the rest of Scandinavia with occasional exceptions have had enough trouble with itself. So the HRE has proved to be a decently working defensive pact who could rely on its sheer strenght of numbers and up to date armament and as a protector of Rome and christianity it was well stabilized as well.

Yes, I am quite aware of European History... thank you.

The HRE was a huge issue for Germany, as we know... until those Prussians cleaned their cookoo clocks!
Point is, Germany is a potential geographic loser (WW1 and WW2 are good examples... or play the game "Diplomacy"), but has done quite well.

 

[Racsoviale]

Anyhow, the fact that it takes a navy to attack you certainly helps! The Germans conquered most of Europe in short matter in WW2, but couldn't cross the Channel...

Honestly they should have read up on their Alexander the Great and a solution to the whole water-as-wall problem would have presented itself.

 

[kochman]

Honestly they should have read up on their Alexander the Great and a solution to the whole water-as-wall problem would have presented itself.

Alexander didn't have to contend with the RAF though... air superiority is what made naval superiority sustainable.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Yes, I am quite aware of European History... thank you.

Good. I need to practise my English writing anyway...

The HRE was a huge issue for Germany, as we know... until those Prussians cleaned their cookoo clocks!

Napoleon might helped with that as well...

Point is, Germany is a potential geographic loser (WW1 and WW2 are good examples... or play the game "Diplomacy"), but has done quite well.

I dont know man. If it was Germany in borders prior to WW1 I would say they have done quite well...

 

[Bowsling]

Germany is bordered in the West by thick forested fairly mountainous terrain, the North by a small peninsula, the South by the highest mountains in Europe, and thick forest to the East. Add that to all the fertile lands and massive coal fields and iron deposits, and you have a pretty clear geographic winner. They just got screwed over by Charlemagne and the Reformation.

Also, doesn't this thread belong in WH?

 

[Domen]

C'mon we are good friends!

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[Whiskey_Lord]

Have to admit, the fact that a picture of Jesus riding a dinosaur exists and wasn't created for the purpose of comedy is pretty goddamn embarrassing.

 

[Domen]

Have to admit, the fact that a picture of Jesus riding a dinosaur exists and wasn't created for the purpose of comedy is pretty goddamn embarrassing.

What's the story behind it?

nd wasn't created for the purpose of comedy

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[Whiskey_Lord]

Well, for all I know that particular picture could be satirical. The fact that we have creation museums in the US which depict people (even children) riding dinosaurs is what's embarrassing.

 

[Domen]

The fact that we have creation museums in the US which depict people (even children) riding dinosaurs is what's embarrassing.

Oh... I didn't know about this.

 

[warpus]

Oh... I didn't know about this.

And you will wish that you never found out. Do not look into American creationist nonsense, not even for research related purposes.. It will make your head hurt.

 

[aronnax]

Redralph is quite right. Ireland's location was terrible because it was placed to be consumed by England. I'll like to think that Lombardy was designed to be invaded by France.

Fortress Japan is far better than Fortress Britain having never been successfully invaded. Occupied yes. But not invaded!

 

[Lone Wolf]

The most unfortunate geographic losers? The people who have lost the most throughout history. The vast majority of society. The lower classes.

There's nothing geographical about that, you pinko commie.

 

[G-Max]

The Mesopotamians probably got the shortest of all straws. It wasn't conquered just by its Persian, Greek, Arab, etc. neighbors. The Romans controlled the region for two years; the Mongols, who came from the opposite end of Earth's largest continent, controlled part of the region for a while; and it was even under American occupation for 8 years, and we certainly made a fine mess of the place.

Alexander didn't have to contend with the RAF though... air superiority is what made naval superiority sustainable.

I'm sure those wacky Nazis would have built some kind of building-sized anti-aircraft cannon to deal with that. They were already building (or planning to build) a giant underground multi-barrel gun capable of hurling shells across the channel...

Well, for all I know that particular picture could be satirical. The fact that we have creation museums in the US which depict people (even children) riding dinosaurs is what's embarrassing.

It's okay, though. They're rare enough to be counted on Shia's mutilated hand.

 

[Leoreth]

The Mesopotamians probably got the shortest of all straws. It wasn't conquered just by its Persian, Greek, Arab, etc. neighbors. The Romans controlled the region for two years; the Mongols, who came from the opposite end of Earth's largest continent, controlled part of the region for a while; and it was even under American occupation for 8 years, and we certainly made a fine mess of the place.

Even before the Achaemenids came along Mesopotamia was basically target of constant outside invasions. In fact, who the Mesopotamians were changed quite often during the course of ancient history.

 

[G-Max]

who the mesopotamians were changed quite often during the course of ancient history.

NO WAI!

Seriously, dude... Civ IV has both the Babylonians and Sumerians. I'm not quite sure what you expected to accomplish by telling me that there were multiple mesopotamian cultures.