Veritass' Invitation -- Prove that BEAUTY exists!

[thetrooper]

Okay - what about people that are born deaf and blind?

 

[CurtSibling]

Such imitation is the greatest evidence of my genius. I am flattered!



I think beauty is as subjective and ambigious as the idea of a god. It is hard to pin down.
It is impossible to gauge the true evidence of beauty, as everyone sees a different thing.

Different societies also regard beauty differently.

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[Urederra]

Okay - what about people that are born deaf and blind?

They'd better commit suicide.

 

[MobBoss]

Quite simply beauty exists because I see it in my wife on a daily basis. And if anyone ever attempted to say my wife wasnt beautiful to my face, they would have to face my great and powerful wrath until I had extracted my satisfaction upon them.

 

[CurtSibling]

I love it when you act macho, MobBoss.

 

[warpus]

that's not entirely true there are some things that everyone finds beautiful, Beauty is both, a woodland glade, pleases everyone aesthetically but not everyone for the same reasons. Likewise there are some works of art that everyone likes, like the Cistine Chapel, because they are breathtaking.

I disagree.

We might all agree that the Sistine Chapel is beautiful, but we will never agree to what extent.

There could also exist people who don't find it beautiful at all.

It's all subjective.

 

[Elta]

I disagree.

We might all agree that the Sistine Chapel is beautiful, but we will never agree to what extent.

There could also exist people who don't find it beautiful at all.

It's all subjective.

I beg to differ every year I see the miss universe contest and well ... there all foxes and beautiful women around the world tend to look simmalar. There is no doubt in my mind that for every women in that contest there half the men on the planet who would hit it.

 

[skadistic]

Beauty is not just visual it can also be audible or offactory (?smelly good)

 

[Veritass]

OK, so it looks like:

• Many of you have had an experience of beauty.
• There is some agreement on what constitutes beauty in the female form.
• There is some mathematics to back this up. The research on phi seems to indicate that there is possibly a genetic predisposition to liking this ratio as "beautiful" as well as a learned response.
• Beauty is more than a visual thing. Personally, I find music and our twelve-tone scale to be mathematically beautiful as well as pleasing to the ear, but this is likely a learned response.

Does beauty exist in any objective sense at all?
Does beauty exist beyond just attraction?
Do animals experience beauty?

 

[MobBoss]

I love it when you act macho, MobBoss.

/flex

 

[Kozmos]

^^^
XD that is all.

 

[sanabas]

There's always:
e^(i * pi) = -1

Looks beautiful to me.

Its found in a lot of places. The one I always found bizarre was bee reproduction . I just wonder why is the ratio that is so prevelent in nature phi:1?

Because. What's the example with bee reproduction?

 

[Truronian]

Because. What's the example with bee reproduction?

Its to do with the ancestry of male bees. Wikipedia explains it better:

Fibonacci is also stated as having described the sequence "encoded in the ancestry of a male bee." This turns out to be the Fibonacci sequence. One can derive this truth by taking the following facts:

• If an egg is laid by a single female, it hatches a male.

• If, however, the egg is fertilized by a male, it hatches a female.
  Thus, a male bee will always have one parent, and a female bee will have two.

• If one traces the ancestry of this male bee (1 bee), he has 1 female parent (1 bee). This female had 2 parents, a male and a female (2 bees). The female had two parents, a male and a female, and the male had one female (3 bees). Those two females each had two parents, and the male had one (5 bees). If one continues this sequence, it gives a perfectly accurate depiction of the Fibonacci sequence.

However, this statement is mostly theoretical. In reality, some ancestors of a particular bee will always be sisters or brothers, thus breaking the lineage of distinct parents.

I wonder if aliens would have the same ratio present in their nature

 

[Ecclesiastes]

Beauty?Beauty is everytime I look at this girl I know named Heather and I get that feeling in my gut, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Truronian]

Beauty?Beauty is everytime I look at this girl I know named Heather and I get that feeling in my gut, nothing more, nothing less.

Ergo, beauty is a dodgy curry.

 

[Ecclesiastes]

Your making me hungry what is this "dodge curry" you speak of?

edit: nevermind, had a laugh at that one.

 

[Truronian]

Regular curry:

Dodgy curry:

Apologies to Veitass for debeautificating his thread

 

[Sidhe]

I disagree.

We might all agree that the Sistine Chapel is beautiful, but we will never agree to what extent.

There could also exist people who don't find it beautiful at all.

It's all subjective.

feel free to disagree, that's the beauty of philosophy, but then I suspect we'll disgree on the extent of beauty in this word in this context. I always like the ideas of archetypes inherently beautiful objects that all hold with reverence and all hold as truly beautiful. You know like a rainbow or somit, but that's just me I think.

 

[Perfection]

Beauty exists as a product of human minds, jsut like God.

 

[Ecclesiastes]

Beauty exists as a product of human minds, jsut like God.

You never miss an opportunity do you....