Victim of perceived thug may end up in jail

[woody60707]

Hey guys, cut the (rent-a) cops some slack. 99% of them are making the other 1% look bad!

lol your a rent-a/mall cop? Lucky you.

I wish people would stop calling me a mall cop...

 

[kramerfan86]

This is what happens when there is only one man left standing. You get to make up what ever story you want. How could you prove it otherwise if the guy was smart? From the shooters POV he could say the kid went crazy and attack him. Could you say the kids was defending his self from fear of being kidnapped, yep. Now the shooter doesn't know at the time that the kid was acting in self defense when the kid attack the shooter. So the shooter had to defend his self.

And all we have is the word of the shooter to spin his story.

And I'm a defense lawyers' dream. For me personally, reasonable doubt is a very high bar.

It was a 140 pound (i believe i read that weight somewhere) unarmed kid, the man was in no danger of being killed yet responded with lethal force. How in the world is there decent reasonable doubt for him? Sure if the kid was found with a knife or something, but what, the kid was going to beat him to death with skittles if he didnt shoot? Pretty sure if I got into a bar fight, then shot the other guy I would get laughed out of the court room if I proclaimed self defense with a gun in a fist fight.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

It was a 140 pound (i believe i read that weight somewhere) unarmed kid, the man was in no danger of being killed yet responded with lethal force. How in the world is there decent reasonable doubt for him? Sure if the kid was found with a knife or something, but what, the kid was going to beat him to death with skittles if he didnt shoot?

Exactly. This racist deserves to go to jail.

 

[CaptainF]

Exactly. This racist deserves to go to jail.

I personally think he deserves to die, at the hands of the victim's family.

But that's just me. Maybe if we would kill all these gestapo thugs we currently refer to as "police officers", that would bring them back in line.

 

[kramerfan86]

His defense is even weaker because the cops supposedly told him to stop following because they were coming to investigate but he went into macho man mode and was going to handle it himself. To me the only question is should he go to jail for manslaughter or second degree murder, I really dont see innocent as an option for this scumbag.

 

[Traitorfish]

Hey guys, cut the (rent-a) cops some slack. 99% of them are making the other 1% look bad!

In my experience it's more like 60:40.

 

[Skwink]

I personally think he deserves to die, at the hands of the victim's family.

But that's just me. Maybe if we would kill all these gestapo thugs we currently refer to as "police officers", that would bring them back in line.

So you're Pro-Death Penalty?

 

[CaptainF]

So you're Pro-Death Penalty?

No, I don't generally trust the government's ability to bring death upon the guilty. There's no doubt in my mind that we've executed more than a handful of innocent people in the United States. Even one is wrong.

I do, however, think some people deserve to die.

 

[woody60707]

It was a 140 pound (i believe i read that weight somewhere) unarmed kid, the man was in no danger of being killed yet responded with lethal force. How in the world is there decent reasonable doubt for him? Sure if the kid was found with a knife or something, but what, the kid was going to beat him to death with skittles if he didnt shoot? Pretty sure if I got into a bar fight, then shot the other guy I would get laughed out of the court room if I proclaimed self defense with a gun in a fist fight.

Can you prove that beyond a reasonable doubt? They were (physically?) fighting before the gun went off and killed the black male. First can you prove the white male even shot the gun, and not the black male grabbing for the gun that caused the weapon to discharged, or maybe the gun just accidentally discharged.

I'm just saying in a case like this, it would be very hard to prove what happen to a jury (my bar for reasonable doubt is likely higher then most people's). And I understand self defense is a affirmative defense. But if you cant prove the white male shot the black male, it doesn't even go that far. What do you have in this case?

So yes, I can understand why ten days later he is still a free man.

 

[Traitorfish]

You have to establish guilt beyond reasonable doubt before you can even arrest somebody in the United States? How very peculiar.

 

[Takhisis]

No, I don't generally trust the government's ability to bring death upon the guilty. There's no doubt in my mind that we've executed more than a handful of innocent people in the United States. Even one is wrong.

I do, however, think some people deserve to die.

Yes, but who is pure, blameless enough to be the one to strike the blow?

 

[JollyRoger]

To raise self defense, you would have to admit to the shooting, thus the fact that act took place is already proven. Intent is what needs to be proven, but if the roles were reversed, the kid, even if claiming self defense, would be sitting in jail right now.

 

[kramerfan86]

Can you prove that beyond a reasonable doubt? They were (physically?) fighting before the gun went off and killed the black male. First can you prove the white male even shot the gun, and not the black male grabbing for the gun that caused the weapon to discharged, or maybe the gun just accidentally discharged.

I'm just saying in a case like this, it would be very hard to prove what happen to a jury (my bar for reasonable doubt is likely higher then most people's). And I understand self defense is a affirmative defense. But if you cant prove the white male shot the black male, it doesn't even go that far. What do you have in this case?

So yes, I can understand why ten days later he is still a free man.

It wouldnt be hard at all, if the kid grabbed at the gun his prints will be there, gun powder residue will be there. Accidental discharge wouldnt be an excuse either because he has no justification to pull a gun on the kid in the first place. Plus as was just mentioned they are claiming self defense, therefore he is arguing he shot the kid but had justifiable reason. There is simply no way to claim this shooting was justified.

 

[Takhisis]

Wouldn't the kid be acting in self-defense if he grabbed the gun?

 

[woody60707]

To raise self defense, you would have to admit to the shooting, thus the fact that act took place is already proven. Intent is what needs to be proven, but if the roles were reversed, the kid, even if claiming self defense, would be sitting in jail right now.

Well I have read more then a few news stories where the shooter was not arrested till days later. The Iphone grandma shooter come to mind. She wasn't arrested till some days later. I thought it was common in cases like this that people aren't arrested till they are charged with a crime? You can't hold a guy for over 10 days (and counting) with out charge. Also If the cops arrested him, and remember the white guy is a law student, the very first and last words out of his mouth would of been "I want my lawyer". At least now the cops get to talk to him. Give the cops some credit that this may be the best way to prove he murder this kid.

It wouldnt be hard at all, if the kid grabbed at the gun his prints will be there, gun powder residue will be there. Accidental discharge wouldnt be an excuse either because he has no justification to pull a gun on the kid in the first place. Plus as was just mentioned they are claiming self defense, therefore he is arguing he shot the kid but had justifiable reason. There is simply no way to claim this shooting was justified.

I think you may be falling under the CSI effect. Gunshot residue would be on both these people. And prints again wouldn't be useful beyond what we already know. Unlike TV you can't just look at GSR and say "the victim was shot from the hip, at a 30 degree angle at 11:23 at night". Not with the equipment cops in a Podunk town would have.

Keep in mind the only people talking to the media is the kid's family and there lawyer (and of very limited statements from the cops). The lawyer didn't say the guy was claiming self defense. The lawyer said he fears the cops will rule self defense and sweep it under the rug. Also there is noting in this story that says the guy drew his gun on the other guy. It's not what you think, or even what most likely happened. It's about what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Also there is noting in this story that says the guy drew his gun on the other guy.

The part where the kid was shot in the chest? Or at least he had it in his hand, ready to go, before the confrontation took place.

 

[Formaldehyde]

It was a 140 pound (i believe i read that weight somewhere) unarmed kid, the man was in no danger of being killed yet responded with lethal force. How in the world is there decent reasonable doubt for him? Sure if the kid was found with a knife or something, but what, the kid was going to beat him to death with skittles if he didnt shoot? Pretty sure if I got into a bar fight, then shot the other guy I would get laughed out of the court room if I proclaimed self defense with a gun in a fist fight.

In the "stand your ground" states it doesn't really matter anymore. Basically, if you can show you were being physically threatened and you thought you were in fear of your life, you can shoot and kill a child or a 100 lb woman even if you are twice their weight.

This is exactly why so many prosecutors and law-enforcement higher ups are so worried about this new law. It used to be that you had to have tried to retreat before you could use deadly force in a confrontation, but no longer.

 

[woody60707]

The part where the kid was shot in the chest? Or at least he had it in his hand, ready to go, before the confrontation took place.

Nope. Unless you read that somewhere else? Until the police release more details, outside the facts of there was a fight and someone ended up shot in the chest, no one has any clue what happen between the 911 call and when the police show up.

Well one guy knows for sure, what kinda is the main problem.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Nope. Unless you read that somewhere else? Until the police release more details, outside the facts of there was a fight and someone ended up shot in the chest, no one has any clue what happen between the 911 call and when the police show up.

All I've read so far is that some kid minding his own business was accosted by an armed person on the streets and he ended up dead. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions when I assume that the person shot him. A one in a million freak accident? Maybe. I doubt it.

 

[JollyRoger]

The guy was teaching the kid how to patrol the neighborood and the gun accidently went off.