20% Arab-Israelis in Israel suggest a far greater ability to co-exist than you're suggesting. But I appreciate every single time Israel is criticised, all Palestinians must also be
[RD] War in Gaza: News Thread
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Lexicus
Deity
The Palestinians mostly (accurately, in my view) see the Israelis as colonizers trying to drive them off the land they've been living on for millennia. It has really little to do with a messianic view of their right to the land. It's simply their home and it is being taken away from them.
The intention of the Israeli campaign is clearly to cause mass death through the destruction of basic services including the system for distributing food. By the time this is all over my guess is at least several times more Palestinians will have died from causes like malnutrition, preventable illness than directly from violence.
Incidentally, to the 30,000+ known to be dead should be added most of the roughly 7,000 missing, most of whom are probably dead under the rubble (or blown to pieces too thoroughly for a body to even be noticed let alone identified).
Also, on the subject of Democrat support for Israel, a news piece I saw a couple of days ago indicated that part of the government funding deal shuts down US funding for UNRWA until 2025. My guess is only a relative handful of Democrats will vote against it for that reason. Perhaps there will be further opportunities to gauge where Democrats stand if, for example, somone proposes a standalone bill to bring aid to Gaza.
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EnglishEdward
Deity
Russia and China veto US resolution stating imperative of ‘immediate and sustained ceasefire’ in Gaza
A draft resolution tabled by the United States was vetoed in the UN Security Council on Friday by China and Russia.
Apparently the inclusion for the release of the hostages was the stumbling block.
Indeed, the fact that 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs, while virtually no Jewish minorities remain in 20+ Arab countries undeniably suggests that the ability to co-exist is lacking solely on Israeli side.
This was my first post in the thread. Didn't realize the thread has been so universally pro-Israel.But I appreciate every single time Israel is criticised, all Palestinians must also be
And yet, not the first thread on the region, or even this conflict. And as such, not your first post, not that I was at all saying your posts were the totality on that particular line in the sand
It doesn't suggest anything of the kind. Right-wing politics in this (and other) countries generally (if not always) require that minorities assimilate, instead of the people letting people into the country make the appropriate accommodations. Israel's government by any reasonable metric is right-wing.
Plus, there's a plethora of evidence that backs up the assertion that Israeli-Arabs do not get any kind of special treatment - quite the opposite, in fact. You should be aware; I believe you've been active in recent threads where this exact subject was discussed previously!
So, we have Israeli-Arabs living in a country that isn't what we call welcoming to them. I consider that the definition of co-existing, and I do not consider the onus met on behalf of the Israeli state.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Palestinians are actively being massacred by, at best, an apartheid state committing genocidal war crimes, this is asinine and pure whataboutism
Narz
keeping it real
Maybe more well targeted but you can't not react after something like that
Narz
keeping it real
If they were successful why is Hamas in control?
Nobody is saying they shouldn't have reacted. Everyone understands that as much as it'd be nice if Israel didn't look for any excuse to carpet bomb Gaza, October 7th was an attack that invited a response.
So maybe less strawmen? Given that nobody said what you're suggesting?
Narz
keeping it real
And Hamas knew they would react that way. If you commit terror attacks you can expect very bad things to happen. You hide behind and among civilians after you attack it's your fault when they get hurt.
If I attack my neighbors unexpectedly and they retaliate by throwing rocks thru my window injuring my children I'm gonna cry like "omg why is this happening? Why can't they goto war more carefully?"
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Bro they're not chucking rocks, they've indiscriminately bombed civilians and infrastructure to the point it's uninhabitable.
you're incapable of accepting the facts as they stand, that Israeli response has been a massive overreaction to the point of committing collective punishment
you're incapable of accepting the facts as they stand, that Israeli response has been a massive overreaction to the point of committing collective punishment
Hamas knew there would be a response. That doesn't magically absolve Israel of any and all responsibility. It doesn't make Hamas themselves responsible for every single choose Israel then decides to make.
Makes a guy wonder why you're so invested in making Israel seem not responsible for their actions.
If you attack your neighbours unexpectedly, and then they flatten your house, every other house on your street, your parent's house, your cousin's house, your friend you haven't seen in 30 year's house, and then another hundred houses you've never been to . . . you might maybe wonder why? Or not, I guess.
aelf
Ashen One
Hmm. I wonder who lived on the land that's now Israel before Israel was founded just decades ago...
Narz
keeping it real
How should they have reacted?
Cloud_Strife
Deity
By not committing genocide, jesus christ
Narz
keeping it real
I asked how SHOULD they have responded
All you're doing is asking questions you think are smart and bypassing every answer that for whatever reason doesn't pass muster. It gets tiring.
"not doing the thing they did" is a valid answer. You shouldn't have to have a solution to criticise the problem
Cloud_Strife
Deity
So committ genocide more carefully??
It depends on what you mean by genocide. I believe we may not agree on that.
Gaza wasn't exactly a place where policemen could simply go and arrest thousands of terrorists.
So, you either need to persuade the public to give up and prepare for other attacks or pacify Gaza one way or another.
It may be through peaceful means, but that would be addressing Narz's question. I do not know the answer.
Gaza wasn't exactly a place where policemen could simply go and arrest thousands of terrorists.
So, you either need to persuade the public to give up and prepare for other attacks or pacify Gaza one way or another.
It may be through peaceful means, but that would be addressing Narz's question. I do not know the answer.
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