What are "American Values"?

[Inqvisitor]

I'd argue with you, but there are people on this board that know more about this than I do... check the History Board and post a thread if you wanna make that claim.

I'm not sure how the status of heretical sects became the topic of this thread anyway...

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

The Catholic Faith is the only perfect and complete Christianity. Eastern Orthodox are schismatic Christians. Protestantism is imperfect Christianity due to heresy in one form or another.

So now it is Catholic Christians who are almost soley responsible for "building" America. Funny, Protestants have always made up a greater share of the population. What were they doing that whole time.

And then there is that whole question of the Jews producing 40% of Nobel Prizes and generally producing scientific and economic achievements highly disproportionate to their share of the population.

But hey, you think it is all conspiracy...

 

[Inqvisitor]

So now it is Catholic Christians who are almost soley responsible for "building" America. Funny, Protestants have always made up a greater share of the population. What were they doing that whole time.

Nice job completely fabricating words from my mouth which were never stated...

Catholics do make up single largest Christian religious population in America though.

And then there is that whole question of the Jews producing 40% of Nobel Prizes and generally producing scientific and economic achievements highly disproportionate to their share of the population.

But hey, you think it is all conspiracy...

Jews are also "highly disproportionate to their share of the population" in the House and the Senate.

 

[superisis]

Jews are also "highly disproportionate to their share of the population" in the House and the Senate.

which means they are contributing more? Or less?

 

[Inqvisitor]

which means they are contributing more? Or less?

Taking more...

 

[blackheart]

What are all of you going on about? All I am stating is the reality about who turned America into the great country that it was. If we have say, the illegals to thank, why is their home country of Mexico on the verge of third-world status to this day?

No you weren't, you were stating that no one BUT Christians had a hand in making America, which is false.

Yes the Chinese worked on the railroads in America. Thank them the next time you ride that old iron horse. What is the point to all this?

Because without the transcontinental railroad America would not be the nation it is today.

Is the fact that European Christians were not just evil colonialist warmongers who destroyed true civilization so painful to all of you racists out there? Political correctness is getting more and more ridiculous.

You're the one who is blatantly racist here. European Christians aren't superior, which is exactly what you are implying by your comments.

 

[Inqvisitor]

No you weren't, you were stating that no one BUT Christians had a hand in making America, which is false.

Alright lets put it somewhere around 97-99%.

You're the one who is blatantly racist here. European Christians aren't superior, which is exactly what you are implying by your comments.

Every other race is allowed to have nationalistic pride in their own country. Mexicans are even allowed to take to the street in OUR country and proclaim a civil war for a "new mestizo nation" for "la raza" (the Race). Yet the fact that European immigrants were primarily responsible for America's advancement needs to be covered up under multiple layers of political correctness.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Nice job completely fabricating words from my mouth which were never stated...

Catholics do make up single largest Christian religious population in America though.

But are a minority of America's population, who did NOT do most of the work. And by your account, they are the only real "Christians", so I assumed that is what you meant by Christian.

Jews are also "highly disproportionate to their share of the population" in the House and the Senate.

And through this power they worked to pass the laws of physics that helped so many of them become excellent physicists.

 

[blackheart]

Alright lets put it somewhere around 97-99%.

Maybe you should pick up a college history text.

Every other race is allowed to have nationalistic pride in their own country. Mexicans are even allowed to take to the street in OUR country and proclaim a civil war for a "new mestizo nation" for "la raza" (the Race). Yet the fact that European immigrants were primarily responsible for America's advancement needs to be covered up under multiple layers of political correctness.

It has nothing to do with political correctness. No one is denying that European immigrants played a pivotal part in America, but YOU are denying that any other race played a pivotal part. Don't try to use political correctness as a shield for your bigotry.

 

[Inqvisitor]

But are a minority of America's population, who did NOT do most of the work. And by your account, they are the only real "Christians", so I assumed that is what you meant by Christian.

No I meant Christian as in those who accept the Nicene Creed as descended from Catholic Tradition. If this were a theological debate your argument may have had some merit. Catholics did do a hell of a lot of the work for the country over the years despite the odds being against them...

 

[JohnRM]

I'm seeing this tossed around an awful lot lately...such and such groups are "threats to our values".
Seems awfully vauge here. Lets get some operational definitions. What are "American Values?" How do they differ from other values of the west? Other countries? the world? Does everybody in America have to value the exact same things?

American values can be best described by the following.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed(..)"

To preempt some of you aholes out there who will certain take the opportunity. Obviously "men" does not and should not ever have meant only male citizens. Also, "Creator" is whoever you want that to be. God, Allah, your parents, whatever!

 

[superisis]

unalienable Rights, that among these are Life

how does this justify capital punishment?

 

[Inqvisitor]

Maybe you should pick up a college history text.

Oh I know the one you're talking about. The one that tells you about how the founders of this country were all evil slaveholders and how Americans used to all be atheists or deists until evil Christians took over in the 1950s...?

It has nothing to do with political correctness. No one is denying that European immigrants played a pivotal part in America, but YOU are denying that any other race played a pivotal part. Don't try to use political correctness as a shield for your bigotry.

Do we tell former colonial nations they better erect statues of their great White former colonial governors, since they certainly played a pivotal part in shaping their countries? Of course not. China for the Chinese, America for the Americans.
Also there would not have been any blacks in the Americas and the "hispanic" race would not even exist if not for European immigration.

 

[Inqvisitor]

how does this justify capital punishment?

Criminals who commit violent crimes deprive themselves of the right to live.

 

[downtown]

Well....if we're going to use that awfully selective view of christiandom, then you're just going to look more wrong.

Who founded the country? Catholics? nope.
Who settled the western united states? Was it the catholics? Nope. Mormons.
Some of our country's greatest scientists? Jewish.
Our country's greatest cultural achivement? Jazz Music. Not invented by whites.
I dont even belive that Catholics are the largest christian group in America. Certainly, the American Catholic church is pretty weak, compared to the rest of the world. We're much more WASP

 

[JohnRM]

He didn't build this country...

If Benjamin Franklin did not help build this country, then I am a Chinese jet pilot. This guy helped found the first non-religious, private college in America (what is now the University of Pennsylvania), is largley responsible for acquiring the assistance of the French during the revolution, not to mention his good press work, inventions, etc. He also helped establish many churches in the Philadelphia area, and not for any one particular sect, but for all faiths, from the Jews, to Catholics, to Protestants. This man was an unbelievable asset to this country and critical to its founding.

 

[blackheart]

Oh I know the one you're talking about. The one that tells you about how the founders of this country were all evil slaveholders and how Americans used to all be atheists or deists until evil Christians took over in the 1950s...?

No, the books that don't give you a rubbish history or propeganda like the ones that have soiled you mind. It is a fact that some of our founding fathers were slaveholders, nonslaveholders, Deists, nondenominational, Protestant, etc. So please, pick up a book before continuing to make yourself look foolish.

Do we tell former colonial nations they better erect statues of their great White former colonial governors, since they certainly played a pivotal part in shaping their countries? Of course not. China for the Chinese, America for the Americans.

Then go back to Europe and leave the midwest for the Sioux, New England for the Iroquois, etc. Why did you even both to bring this up? It has nothing to do with your lack of realizing the roles of people in building America.

Also there would not have been any blacks in the Americas and the "hispanic" race would not even exist if not for European immigration.

And America wouldn't be what it is today without immigration. Europe wouldn't be what it is today without trade and technology coming from Asia and the Middle East

 

[blackheart]

If Benjamin Franklin did not help build this country, then I am a Chinese jet pilot. This guy helped found the first non-religious, private college in America (what is now the University of Pennsylvania), is largley responsible for acquiring the assistance of the French during the revolution, not to mention his good press work, inventions, etc. He also helped establish many churches in the Philadelphia area, and not for any one particular sect, but for all faiths, from the Jews, to Catholics, to Protestants. This man was an unbelievable asset to this country and critical to its founding.

Not to mention he was quite the ladies' man

 

[JohnRM]

how does this justify capital punishment?

Um, well, considering that I am not in charge and I do not authorize capital punishment, I guess I don't have to justify it. The government of the United States of America does not operate with my consent, therefore, I do not relate American values to that entity.

 

[JohnRM]

America for the Americans.

Define 'American', please.