What does a MAGA hat stand for?

[Synobun]

We are not aware of this. "Transmarine found beaten to death outside bar in Quantico" Does that sound like an unlikely headline? Or "DoD expresses fear for transPoW in Mideast".

Of course. Trump banned transgender soldiers for their own safety. He just cares very deeply for them, see.

Except when he announced it he cited cost and the inherent disruption of being trans.

So nice try, but falls short.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Not really when you consider my family is a military family. Just about every male has served and a good number of the women in my family have served as well.

Just because you joined the military out of desperation doesn't mean that's why everybody joins. There are people who genuinely want to be there. I was one of them and I'd still be in if I didn't blow out my knee.

Just because I met HUNDREDS of people while in the military and EVERY SINGLE ONE was deep into what the GI Bill offered, what their post military job prospects were, how the prospect of retiring with good pay and benefits at under forty was almost impossible to ignore, etc etc etc don't get the idea that I am calling BS on you based exclusively on my own experience.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Cloud, I think you would do well to consider that in many places the things that are obvious to you are deep undercurrents, at most, and in some of those places there may be very obvious currents flowing the other way.

I get that, but trying to explain why someone voting for a party that considers me in the same light as one might consider a child abuser is like pulling teeth though and on a subconscious level dehumanizes and offends me.

 

[Arwon]

We are not aware of this. "Transmarine found beaten to death outside bar in Quantico" Does that sound like an unlikely headline? Or "DoD expresses fear for transPoW in Mideast".

Not sure what you're getting at here, many comparable nations to the US have openly trans personnel working in their defence forces freely. "Australia is now in the company of at least 18 nations that permit open transgender service, including close allies New Zealand, the United Kingdom and Canada."

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I've been beaten, thrown in jail, and fired from my job for my looks. So I'm just going to have to disagree with that.

Gonna take more than that to justify your disagreement. Was one political party saying "yeah, Rah got thrown in jail for his looks...as is only right"? If there was, that might have made you wonder about the people supporting that political party, eh?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I've been beaten, thrown in jail, and fired from my job for my looks. So I'm just going to have to disagree with that.

Have you had an entire party single you out, compare you to the lowest of the low (child abusers, murderers, rapists etc) actively work to make your life worse off in any way they can, deny you the basic human dignity afforded to you and then have the temerity to imply that your very existence is the root cause behind most of society's ills?

What am I supposed to think of someone who could vote or support such a party?

And why do Republicans or so called "independents" get a pass? Or does it just make you too uncomfortable to even broach such a concept?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Looked perfect on the surface, and that's the draw? Oh bull**** bootstraps. Wages stagnant. Rentals increasing, the era of the gold watch dead. Yup, thats rasist. I mean, what they hell. My grandparents watched Queen for a Day. What a depressing ass show. My parents know damn well **** sucked in the 1950s. They aren't Assclown fans, but that isn't the cause. That's just narrative about the outgroup talking. Clever in a way, because it's a ****eating rhetorical approach that allows fecal breaths to actually blame the outgroup for desiring every single global ill that existed 70 years ago. It's really really freaking stupid.

Yes, things did look nice on the surface the world of the middle class and above; they only interacted with lower classes in an orderly way. I think what draws boomers to that era is that it seemed so nice and orderly without controversy or struggle. Things seemed under control and predictable. Kids could play outside unsupervised, Being a housewife was joyous, divorced women were hot to trot, getting drunk a lunch was OK, the world was safe (except for the bomb!). TV was fresh and new and was soon in color. Bad things happened in other places. I used to watch Queen for a day. It wasn't depressing then; a deserving woman got cool stuff she needed and couldn't afford. I don't think that MAGA is necessarily racist, but more nostalgic for a simpler time that was racist among other things.

I'm not sure what you object to in my posts or what you think MAGA is all about.

 

[rah]

I have voted for the person, not the party my entire life. I have never voted straight party.
Anybody that has is a mindless zombie who prefer to let others think for them.
There are a lot of democrats that are dicks.
Fortunately I don't have to answer to hate blinded people.
This thread has proven just how deep the hatred is.
Everyone keeps saying it's all about me while they're just screaming it's really all about them.

 

[Commodore]

Just because I met HUNDREDS of people while in the military and EVERY SINGLE ONE was deep into what the GI Bill offered, what their post military job prospects were, how the prospect of retiring with good pay and benefits at under forty was almost impossible to ignore, etc etc etc don't get the idea that I am calling BS on you based exclusively on my own experience.

I don't deny there were a lot of people who were only there for the benefits. It's one of the things that I think weakens our military as it attracts people who are joining for the wrong reasons. But that's a discussion for another thread.

I was that guy in basic training though that answered "because I want to fight for my country" when asked by the Drill Sergeant why I joined. You can doubt me all you want, but I know why I joined and why I wish I were still in. It's why part of me almost wishes another war would break out, because then maybe the military would get desperate enough to take me back.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes, things did look nice on the surface the the world of the middle class and above only interacted in an orderly way. I think what draws boomers to that era is that it seemed so nice and orderly without controversy or struggle. Things seemed under control and predictable. Kids could play outside unsupervised, Being a housewife was joyous, divorced women were hot to trot, getting drunk a lunch was OK, the world was safe (except for the bomb!). TV was fresh and new and was soon in color. Bad things happened in other places. I used to watch Queen for a day. It wasn't depressing then; a deserving woman got cool stuff she needed and couldn't afford. I don't think that MAGA is necessarily racist, but more nostalgic for a simpler time that was racist among other things.

I'm not sure what you object to in my posts or what you think MAGA is all about.

Back at my anecdote...I grew up less than fifteen miles from that red line district and spent the vast majority of my life believing that having been born and raised in California meant I was enlightenedly exempt from the entire racism question. That surface was a totally false construct.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I have voted for the person, not the party my entire life. I have never voted straight party.
Anybody that has is a mindless zombie who prefer to let others think for them.
There are a lot of democrats that are dicks.
Fortunately I don't have to answer to hate blinded people.
This thread has proven just how deep the hatred is.
Everyone keeps saying it's all about me while they're just screaming it's really all about them.

Rah, voting for the person not the party is either a cop out, or naive. My congressman might have been a very reasonable man when sitting across a table drinking iced tea and asking for my vote and support, but when he got to Washington he was gonna by and large support the directions chosen by a racist retro-lunatic from a backwater in rural Ohio. That's the reality of our representative government.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I don't deny there were a lot of people who were only there for the benefits. It's one of the things that I think weakens our military as it attracts people who are joining for the wrong reasons. But that's a discussion for another thread.

I was that guy in basic training though that answered "because I want to fight for my country" when asked by the Drill Sergeant why I joined. You can doubt me all you want, but I know why I joined and why I wish I were still in. It's why part of me almost wishes another war would break out, because then maybe the military would get desperate enough to take me back.

We'd have put you out a torpedo tube.

 

[Commodore]

We'd have put you out a torpedo tube.

As long as you are launching me at an enemy ship...

 

[rah]

Rah, voting for the person not the party is either a cop out, or naive. My congressman might have been a very reasonable man when sitting across a table drinking iced tea and asking for my vote and support, but when he got to Washington he was gonna by and large support the directions chosen by a racist retro-lunatic from a backwater in rural Ohio. That's the reality of our representative government.

Beats voting straight party any day of the week. You can prefer to let others choose who you should vote for. That's what I consider naive.
If you believe that just because they have the label in front of the name makes them morally superior is just silly.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Back at my anecdote...I grew up less than fifteen miles from that red line district and spent the vast majority of my life believing that having been born and raised in California meant I was enlightenedly exempt from the entire racism question. That surface was a totally false construct.

Yes. My first understood encounter with racism was when they integrated the local swimming pool and the huge fervor over it. What would happen to us white children if we had to swim with Negroes? Apparently, it was the end of the world. I seemed to have survived it. Social issues like integration didn't exist for me at all until they came to Baltimore.

 

[Synobun]

I have voted for the person, not the party my entire life. I have never voted straight party.
Anybody that has is a mindless zombie who prefer to let others think for them.
There are a lot of democrats that are dicks.
Fortunately I don't have to answer to hate blinded people.
This thread has proven just how deep the hatred is.
Everyone keeps saying it's all about me while they're just screaming it's really all about them.

Can you quote the replies that constitute as screaming and deep hatred, please?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Beats voting straight party any day of the week. You can prefer to let others choose who you should vote for. That's what I consider naive.
If you believe that just because they have the label in front of the name makes them morally superior is just silly.

It has nothing to do with 'moral superior.' It has to do with the absolute fact that whether YOU are a straight party voter or not isn't the issue, the issue is that whoever you vote for, they ARE.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I have voted for the person, not the party my entire life. I have never voted straight party.
Anybody that has is a mindless zombie who prefer to let others think for them.
There are a lot of democrats that are dicks.
Fortunately I don't have to answer to hate blinded people.
This thread has proven just how deep the hatred is.
Everyone keeps saying it's all about me while they're just screaming it's really all about them.

It's about the fact that you cannot reconcile that voting, even for an individual candidate, for the gop is a harmful act to minorities.

Your attempts to distance yourself and shift blame by claiming to vote for the candidate don't magically undo or ameliorate the harm your vote does if they get in, why can't you understand that I take issue with this?

Edit: It has nothing to do with moral superiority and everything to do with preventing future and current harm to the weakest in society.

The GOP are In lockstep in regards to social issues so why exactly do seriously believe your individual candidate will be any different?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

As long as you are launching me at an enemy ship...

Now that you mention it, I guess there probably people like you among the SEALs.

 

[Birdjaguar]

@rah If you are voting democratic in November, I accept your reasoning as perfectly valid.