What does the American Conservative stand for anymore?

[Lexicus]

There's that concept in fascism where the enemy is simultaneously strong and overpowering whilst also weak and ready to be beaten, which can be clearly seen in mouthwashes posts.

Also lol, literally advocating for a "conservative" state via civil war, I'm totally sure that said state wouldn't be riddled with racial, sexual and religious intolerance

The corollary is that fascists will claim to be the real victims even as they are murdering people by the millions.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

White conservatives literally cry oppression when asked to treat minorities with a bit more respect, as well as crying genocide when they see brown people

Hell just look at the who pronouns issue, like imagine being so uptight and self righteous that you can't even take the time to show basic human decency because it "offends" their delicate sensibilities.

There is a reason LGBT conservatives are looked down upon by the lgbt community; they're aligning themselves with a group whose stated aim to is eliminate us, socially, politically, through violence, through shock therapy etc.

 

[Farm Boy]

there's no opiate crisis in California...

This is a complicated little point. OD rates from opiates specifically seem to hover somewhat over 1/3 the national rate while opioid prescription rates hover about about 2/3. It is plausible that the 1/3 cut off prescriptions are well targeted and get x2 effect in reduction of OD events. California is also kind of its own thing. With housing costs that seem largely responsible for approximately the highest poverty rates in the nation, it sure seems like a nice place to live, if you're rich enough! Bunch of guys where on the radio about tax hikes in IL couple weeks back and one was claiming a bunch of new taxes would drive out the rich and prosperous making the state less wealthy. His debate partner destroyed him with a bunch of data from the last round of tax hikes that proved that increasing the cost of living drove out the people who couldn't afford to stay, largely downstate, and made Illinois richer on average. Seemed like about the right anecdote for a conversation about "liberals and conservatives" in America today.

Sorry for putting you on the spot Gori. Opaque is a very kind synonym.

 

[MaryKB]

Read Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale and you'll get a nice blueprint of exactly what modern conservatives "stand for."

 

[Mouthwash]

That article says nothing about taking away conservative economic power.

Most people/corporations with money are publicly going to be taking the left's side in the culture wars, for the foreseeable future.

The Republican Party's Congressional power delivered a Republican supreme court against who was supposed to appoint justices, something Democrats never do.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I think it's fair to say that the court which discovered a new inalienable 'right' to gay marriage in the constitution four years ago isn't on our side.

Yes the majority of Americans are mildly political, progressive American exceptionalists, so the news and media sell to that. Hardly a meaningful "absolute cultural power."

Are you even trying to be serious here?

There's that concept in fascism where the enemy is simultaneously strong and overpowering whilst also weak and ready to be beaten, which can be clearly seen in mouthwashes posts.

Where can it be seen? Liberals control the entire press (except for Fox News, which I suppose they keep around as a whipping boy/bogeyman), and it is well within their power to shift the opinions of the moderates/unaligned against anyone trying to reverse the moral collapse of the last two decades. That's not even mentioning all the corporations who would declare war on us and withhold their services. I'm under no illusions that liberals are weak in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgyny

Androgyny has a long and storied history in human culture. We sensationalize it by making it taboo.

So does pederasty. I suppose that's the new frontier of LGBT liberation, which everyone in America has to lay down and acquiesce to?

Hell just look at the who pronouns issue, like imagine being so uptight and self righteous that you can't even take the time to show basic human decency because it "offends" their delicate sensibilities.

Imagine being so uptight and self-righteous that we resist social engineering by our beneficent liberal citizens! The nerve!

 

[Traitorfish]

That's not better than a market-enforced regime of overdoses, suicides, and now apparently pedophile grooming?

Not self-evidently, no.

 

[Socrates99]

There's that concept in fascism where the enemy is simultaneously strong and overpowering whilst also weak and ready to be beaten, which can be clearly seen in mouthwashes posts.

Also lol, literally advocating for a "conservative" state via civil war, I'm totally sure that said state wouldn't be riddled with racial, sexual and religious intolerance

I think it'd be kind of funny to see a conservative free state since red states disproportionately take federal aid while blue states often pay more in federal taxes than they receive back.

The populace would be in a succeed or die situation and wages would plummet. A race to the bottom with Mexico and China where Americans work for third world wages. Sounds awesome.

At least then we could do away with some of the goofy political theories conservatives have.

 

[Mouthwash]

Not self-evidently, no.

I mean, I'm not calling for attacks on those deemed 'unvirtuous'. I want to resist the enforcers of the liberal regime - Silicon Valley censors, corporations that boycott American citizens instead of the other way around, enforced LGBT activism in public school curriculums, etc (the police as well, if they back them up). It's about creating a space where people can live virtuous lives if they want to.

 

[Traitorfish]

I mean, I'm not calling for attacks on those deemed 'unvirtuous'. I want to resist the enforcers of the liberal regime - Silicon Valley censors, corporations that boycott American citizens instead of the other way around, enforced LGBT activism in public school curriculums, etc. It's about creating a space where people can live virtuous lives if they want to.

I would welcome a civil war/secession at this point if conservatives were serious about carving out a space for a better society, much less reviving America.

Pick an opinion, guy.

 

[Mouthwash]

I don't see how those two quotes contradict one another.

 

[El_Machinae]

That's not better than a market-enforced regime of overdoses, suicides, and now apparently pedophile grooming?

Just think, in a few years Trump will be able to date him!

 

[Traitorfish]

I don't see how those two quotes contradict one another.

Well, let's say I concede that these are not irreconcilable perspectives. They still require reconciliation. In the first quote, you advocate peaceful separatism, a sort of conservative back-to-the-land movement. In the second, you welcome civil war as the herald of national regeneration. To hold both view requires you to pick out a very specific chain of events in which this separatist movement, which does not yet exist, takes up arms to defend itself against the American state, and that is less a perspective on current events than it is the premise of the single-player campaign in Far Cry 5.

 

[Hygro]

Most people/corporations with money are publicly going to be taking the left's side in the culture wars, for the foreseeable future.

A nebulous speculation of corporate pocket change weighting causes is a far cry from "taking away" conservatives' "economic power at a breakneck pace".

 

[Estebonrober]

Most people/corporations with money are publicly going to be taking the left's side in the culture wars, for the foreseeable future.



I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I think it's fair to say that the court which discovered a new inalienable 'right' to gay marriage in the constitution four years ago isn't on our side.



Are you even trying to be serious here?



Where can it be seen? Liberals control the entire press (except for Fox News, which I suppose they keep around as a whipping boy/bogeyman), and it is well within their power to shift the opinions of the moderates/unaligned against anyone trying to reverse the moral collapse of the last two decades. That's not even mentioning all the corporations who would declare war on us and withhold their services. I'm under no illusions that liberals are weak in America.



So does pederasty. I suppose that's the new frontier of LGBT liberation, which everyone in America has to lay down and acquiesce to?



Imagine being so uptight and self-righteous that we resist social engineering by our beneficent liberal citizens! The nerve!

What is your final solution to the homosexual problem?

 

[Lexicus]

I like how people are so used to MW's, er, idiosyncratic takes that he can refer to drag as pederasty and no one really bats an eye

 

[Farm Boy]

Need better genetic understanding and testing granularity for that implication I suppose. Could take a swipe at it like we seem to be taking a swipe at Downs?

 

[Estebonrober]

I mean, I'm not calling for attacks on those deemed 'unvirtuous'. I want to resist the enforcers of the liberal regime - Silicon Valley censors, corporations that boycott American citizens instead of the other way around, enforced LGBT activism in public school curriculums, etc (the police as well, if they back them up). It's about creating a space where people can live virtuous lives if they want to.

No one is stopping you from living a virtuous life. I’ve lived a “virtuous” life from your point of view I’m almost certain. I do not feel threatened by others who choose not to live this lifestyle. It’s my choice. Their choice is on them. It is not in your right or mine to force another to accept being bullied because I want to live “a virtuous life” and by extension I would make the argument that trying to force your views on others through law is inherently without virtue.

 

[Hygro]

I like how people are so used to MW's, er, idiosyncratic takes that he can refer to drag as pederasty and no one really bats an eye

Because no one watched more than a second of the video so didn't actually know what point he was trying to make. It's such a leftfield statement and we don't know if the kid is being groomed into that or if somehow others are groomed by the kid. Both are absurd, sick thoughts but they go in two different directions and no one wants to put their head there to begin with.

 

[Estebonrober]

Because no one watched more than a second of the video so didn't actually know what point he was trying to make. It's such a leftfield statement and we don't know if the kid is being groomed into that or if somehow others are groomed by the kid. Both are absurd, sick thoughts but they go in two different directions and no one wants to put their head there to begin with.

It’s a slippery slope argument he is making, which is fine but it’s stupid. Until the kid is actually being harmed or harming someone else it really should not be a legal thing.

 

[Hygro]

It’s a slippery slope argument he is making, which is fine but it’s stupid. Until the kid is actually being harmed or harming someone else it really should not be a legal thing.

But a slippery slope from where to where, how, and how does this kid fit into the narrative?