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What gives with tolerant atheists?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Monkeyfinger, Dec 24, 2007.

  1. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Thats not intolerance. Thats discussion. But lets face it, I am not going to walk across the street to avoid anyone, nor would I object to hiring someone of a particular creed, or rent an apartment to them or what-ever.

    Bottom line, you dont know me outside of this forum, and you make the mistake of me voicing my opinion as being intolerant. Thats not the same thing.
     
  2. Julian Delphiki

    Julian Delphiki Anton's key

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    Well, some opinions that you have and are vocal about seem very intolerant to me, but it is true that i do not know you in real world.
     
  3. Erik Mesoy

    Erik Mesoy Core Tester / Intern

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    You two might want to peek at the Norwegian Constitution. Excerpts follow: :D


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    Article 2

    All inhabitants of the Realm shall have the right to free exercise of their religion.

    The Evangelical-Lutheran religion shall remain the official religion of the State. The inhabitants professing it are bound to bring up their children in the same.

    Article 4

    The King shall at all times profess the Evangelical-Lutheran religion, and uphold and protect the same.

    Article 9

    As soon as the King, being of age, accedes to the government, he shall take the following oath before the Storting: "I promise and swear that I will govern the Kingdom of Norway in accordance with its Constitution and Laws; so help me God, the Almighty and Omniscient."

    Article 12

    The King himself chooses a Council from among Norwegian citizens who are entitled to vote. This Council shall consist of a Prime Minister and at least seven other Members.

    More than half the number of the Members of the Council of State shall profess the official religion of the State.

    Article 27

    All Members of the Council of State shall, unless lawfully absent, attend the Council of State and no decision may be adopted there unless more than half the number of members are present.

    A Member of the Council of State who does not profess the official religion of the State shall not take part in proceedings on matters which concern the State Church.

    Article 44

    The Princess or Prince who, in the cases mentioned in Article 41, conducts the government shall make the following oath in writing before the Storting: "I promise and swear that I will conduct the government in accordance with the Constitution and the Laws, so help me God, the Almighty and Omniscient".
     
  4. Cu Chulainn

    Cu Chulainn The Unoriginal

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    Read "Breaking the Spell" by Daniel Dennet. He makes a lot of the same points as Dawkins but is as nice about it as a can reasonably be expected for a criticism of religion. He even begins by asking the religious reader to assume he is addressing all other religions to make his arguments more palatable.

    I personally have no problem with Dawkins. He points out quite correctly that religion is no different than any other system of claims about the universe and thus should not be treated any differently.
     
  5. Eran of Arcadia

    Eran of Arcadia Stormin' Mormon Retired Moderator

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    So, how many people didn't realize that Elrohir's post was a blatant parody of the OP? I counted at least 3 who were taking it seriously . . .
     
  6. Erik Mesoy

    Erik Mesoy Core Tester / Intern

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    Of course, now that you've said it, Eran, they may just deny it and claim that Elrohir, being religious, deserves "special treatment". :rolleyes:
    Does not compute. I think there's a step missing from this logic.
     
  7. Elrohir

    Elrohir RELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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    Thank you - at least some people got it. :lol:

    :rolleyes: Good grief man. Yes, it was irony. I basically copied the original post, but I replaced "religious people" with "non religious people" and "atheism" with "Christianity". My point wasn't that atheists shouldn't have rights - it was that everyone should, regardless of their religious beliefs. I was pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in the OP, because he seems to think you only deserve respect if you agree with him. I was merely turning his own argument back around on him to show him that it sucks, and if everyone used it the world would be a much darker place.

    Does no one know what irony is anymore? Guys, irony is "the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning". If I effectively copy the OP word for word just with the group changed, and while doing so express a radical opinion wildly different from my normal one, I'm probably being ironic.

    I'd weep for the future of humanity, but its Christmas, so I'm able to hold off the despaire. :)

    Even one is too many. :( It's kind of hilarious though, just in a sad way. :lol:
     
  8. zxcvbnm

    zxcvbnm The Nobody

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    Well, my arguments apply to the original too
     
  9. Gogf

    Gogf Indescribable

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    It's their right to believe whatever they want, and starting a flame war isn't going to convince anybody of anything.
     
  10. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    We're saying the same thing in different words. :)

    Merry Christmas
     
  11. illram

    illram Deity Retired Moderator

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    It's narrow minded because you're generalizing about all Christians being this single, crazy fundamentalist person, which they are not. It's also narrow minded because your statement implies a functional, technologically advanced and non-fundamentalist society cannot exist with religion, which is false.

    Extremists are the problem, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, or Atheist. There are a lot of very wise things in all of these religions that I'm sure we could all learn a thing or two from. It's not a question of "why tolerate?" It's a question of "why bother understanding?" which, when phrased that way, should be obvious.
     
  12. Neomega

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    Meh
    I've been through my hating christians stage, and christians are so stupid stage. Ive met too many good, smart Christians to be a bigot about it anymore.
     
  13. bathsheba666

    bathsheba666 Fast 'n Bulbous

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    ok, got me.

    Yo ho ho. Yes I understand the concept of irony.
    I clearly need to be more discriminating in realising who is capable of it.

    Mea culpa, happy new year.
     
  14. sirdanilot

    sirdanilot BBcode owns in sigs!

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    What's wrong with being tolerant like that?
    Because Christians know what is true, they live accordingly. Is there anything wrong with that?
    The bible is not fiction. A lot of things that are described in the Bible have actually happened. People have believed in the Bible for more than two thousand years, while the other books you described have almost no history. And we can apply the things that are described in the Bible perfectly to the modern world, and it is certainly not outdated. Even in parts that apply to slaves, the moral of the bible verse can probably still be applied to today.

    But you know what? I don't think it's worth discussing wether the Bible is true or not, especially not with intolerant people like you.
    You just said it yourself. Refusing the right of free religion even goes against the constitution of your (beloved?) motherland of the United States!
     
  15. Swiss_Mercenari

    Swiss_Mercenari Comedic Jihadist

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    Exactly the way I feel. Live and let live, as long as there is no harm being caused.
     
  16. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    I've found the best way to tolerate the religious is to carry a guitar around. Before you know it, you have a following and access to the wives and daughters, so it isn't such a bad deal.
     
  17. Swedishguy

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    I'm not tolerant towards religious people, but I appear to be. Generally, people mistake me to be a Christian, because I'm pretty boring and keep my hands to my head all the time. The trick is to not show it. And, when the time is right, I shall put my plans into action...
     
  18. Archbob

    Archbob Ancient CFC Guardian

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    And then God shall smite you for your devilish actions.
     
  19. Lotus49

    Lotus49 Emperor

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    Faith vs. atheism in the realm of politics is actually not a factor. What is however, is the ratio of those who think intelligently to those who do not. Unfortunately the world is full of the latter, and there is no escaping the result of it.
     
  20. Shibbyman

    Shibbyman Chieftain

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    People like the OP are the reason I prefer people not to know that I'm an atheist. A person that I once knew (thank God he moved), upon reading The God Delusion, decided to tell several religious friends of mine that I thought they were morons. After a great deal of explanation and apologising on my behalf they eventually understood what had happened, so no real harm done.

    The point that I made to them was that I don't dislike religious people; I merely dislike dogmatism. I don't think that people not eating meat derived from a non-ruminant mammal or eating a wafer is going to destroy the world. Problems arise when people use religious texts, or any other source for the matter, to drown out their conscience or to justify not questioning things. My view on this matter doesn't change if it's economic or political dogmatism. A good example of this would be the various "modernisation" pogrammes used by communist regimes throughout the 20th century.
     

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