What is Multiculturalism and why it's bad
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Cultural assimilation is a huge part of why America became great. Can you imagine if every single nationality/ethnicity lived in their own neighborhoods to this very day, doing business only within their own societies, participating only within their own cultural heritage?
That way lies separatism and creates an us/them mentality within the nation, and one that is very easily cued, paving the way to discrimination.
That way lies separatism and creates an us/them mentality within the nation, and one that is very easily cued, paving the way to discrimination.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
What about cultural diversity? Even bronies are tolerated.
Some even choose to live among themselves instead of living among those who try to vilify and oppress them. Claiming that "way" "paves" the way to discrimination is just so much utter nonsense. Visit New York City some time to see how well multiculturalism really works.
Some even choose to live among themselves instead of living among those who try to vilify and oppress them. Claiming that "way" "paves" the way to discrimination is just so much utter nonsense. Visit New York City some time to see how well multiculturalism really works.
Not sure if satire.
Thought about going that way halfway in. it's not a very good post. I'm tired.
I do think multiculturalism as envisioned by some creates separate societies within a nation instead of one, though, and that I am against :\
perhaps my ideas on what multiculturalism even is, however, are totally out of base.
I do think multiculturalism as envisioned by some creates separate societies within a nation instead of one, though, and that I am against :\
perhaps my ideas on what multiculturalism even is, however, are totally out of base.
Does this mean you'll be abandoning your minority fundamentalist Christian culture in favour of coming together under the mainstream non-fundamentalist culture?
Or put another way, you seem to be erroneously assuming that you're part of the majority which must be conformed to.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
+all the points
Aleksey_aka_al
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Things that occur naturally do not have such fancy names, multi-culturalism
. Nor they are so obsessive. Nor so important for rich to propagate them.Things that occur naturally do not have such fancy names, multi-culturalism
Wheat also occurs naturally, for that matter.
Things that occur naturally do not have such fancy names, multi-culturalism
The same, of course, is also true for Marxism
But yeah, the ideology of Multiculturalism that I was talking about is very much an artificial construct. It's not based in history, biology (or any other scientific field) and etc, but merely the product of the minds of some idle folks. Much like Marxism.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
There's a difference between assimilation and integration. "Assimilation" implies that minorities are absorbed into the majority, which is evidently not the case in the United States, which probably contains more distinct ethnic groups than other country on the planet. "Integration" only implies that people are able to live comfortably besides one another.
Now we are getting some self awareness.
aelf
Ashen One
Indeed. The -isms that he subscribes to are products of idle minds, including his conception of multiculturalism.
Mise
isle of lucy
I think one thing that is always missing from these sorts of discussions is that identity is fluid and plural: you can have multiple different identities, and can identify with multiple different cultures, flitting between them depending on which pub you're in, which friends you're with, whether you're at work, university, home, or with family, what sport's game you're watching, etc etc etc. This is one thing that feminists get right when they talk about intersectionality; though they are coming at it from a different angle, it encapsulates rather well my experience as an ethnically Indian guy who was born in South America, grew up in a middle class village in Wales, and now lives in a heavily Muslim/Bangladeshi area of East London.
Multiculturalism, to me, ought to recognise that an individual can be multicultured, too. To that end, it shouldn't, as luiz describes, try to pigeon hole people into a single culture, or claim that problems facing "people of X culture" are common to all or even a majority of that culture, or unique to that culture. I think multiculturalism is simply being agnostic towards different cultures, tolerating them, and really just not giving a rat's ass about other cultures in general. That's what multiculturalism means to me, anyway.
Multiculturalism, to me, ought to recognise that an individual can be multicultured, too. To that end, it shouldn't, as luiz describes, try to pigeon hole people into a single culture, or claim that problems facing "people of X culture" are common to all or even a majority of that culture, or unique to that culture. I think multiculturalism is simply being agnostic towards different cultures, tolerating them, and really just not giving a rat's ass about other cultures in general. That's what multiculturalism means to me, anyway.
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Well, multiculturalism is bad when its about compulsory loving foreign cultures, as luiz describes. Though often, self-described opponents of multiculturalism (names need to mention) are simply opposed to the idea of accepting foreign cultures, which is even worse.
Which sounds like a strawman tbh sitting here in very multicultural Melbourne.
I certainly have no problem with that outlook, in fact it's the only healthy one. I also see no problem in people retaining their cultures.
The problem with the ideology I was describing is creating artificial cultures where they don't exist, and, worst of all, considering that public debate and administration should not be between individuals, but between "cultural communities". It's very anti-democratic and even anti-republican.
Well if you read the OP and my other posts, and watch the video I posted, you'll know what I mean and why it's no strawman. And it has nothing to do with loving or not other cultures.
It has to do with a project of replacing a republic of citizens for one of "cultural communities", and arbitrarily defined ones at that.
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