What is philosophy?

How come you struck-through some of my questions, bj? Are those ones you are confident to have solved yourself?
 
How come you struck-through some of my questions, bj? Are those ones you are confident to have solved yourself?
No, they are the ones I don't understand.
 
Philosophy has already answered the question about God.

Spoiler :
I don't think you'll like it though. ;)
:lol: probably not, but they've been wrong before. :) I'm off to bed.
 
:lol: probably not, but they've been wrong before. :)
Yeah, but they ain't now.

I'm off to bed.

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Philosophy is just a sport between myth and science, and should finally be kicked away, don't you think?
 
That is an outdated concept of what philosophy is.

In this thread it only applies to Philosophy. I raised it because of this:

It appears to me that since the answers to those difficult and interesting questions are not readily found, Philosophy is more about prolonging the discussion rather than actually finding answers.

I'm sorry Fifty's precious quote went missing there, but the OP gives some valid definitions of philosophy, whereas Fifty insists on giving his own, then denying the logical implications. So this discussion, strictly speaking, isn't about philosophy, merely about the meaning of words (which in istelf is a a valid philosophy-related question), as several other posters seem intent on focusing on. As finding the ultimate definition of philosophy is similar to the quest to answering "What is religion?" (recently raised on Plotinus' Ask a theologian thread), I shall not discuss it further unless related to another issue.

It isn't, but I was trying to stay on topic and not drag other things into the thread like I often do. I don't think it needs to answer more questions than it asks, but some of the big ones would be nice. :)

Perhaps the real issue is not finding a definitive answer, but formulating a fundamental question. A part of philosophy is concerned with raising certain issues, which more often than not aren't addressed or are illogically addressed by other disciplines.

My knowledge of modern professional Philosophy is limited to a small part of the philosophy of mind. I welcome an education on the major contributions of professional philosophy in the last 50 yrs.

As I started out with the beginning of philosophy, I'll come back to this. (And if I seem to forget, feel free to remind me.)

My remark was that if Philosophy started actually answering some of those interesting questions it has been struggling with for an extended period of time, it would be more useful.

I'd agree. The problem is that philosophy has long lost any primacy among science - that is, provided it ever had. Most sciences today have their own specific "philosophy of" subdisciplines. Also, pure science never is "useful"; there may be practical implications to certain discoveries, but that's not the object of pure science.

Philosophy has already answered the question about God.

True, although not all philosophers would agree. Also, metaphysical questions are but a subdiscipline of philosophy, meaning not all philosophers venture there (though many have and do). As Wittgenstein said: "Of that which we know nothing, we must not speak." Beyond a certain point one tends to enter the realm of pure speculation - which kind of comes with the territory. Beyond
 
In this thread it only applies to Philosophy. I raised it because of this:

It appears to me that since the answers to those difficult and interesting questions are not readily found, Philosophy is more about prolonging the discussion rather than actually finding answers.

The fun part of philosophy is to discuss ;)

What is God
What is the nature of Truth
what is real

It was not that complicated. Nor meant to raise a philosophical point. You posted that Philosophy tries to answer interesting questions that science struggles with. You listed some questions. I added three of my own here. My remark was that if Philosophy started actually answering some of those interesting questions it has been struggling with for an extended period of time, it would be more useful.

The "problem" with philosophy is that it is disucssion the said questions and not answering them; however, the reason we have the term philosophy is that most of these questions are unanswerable. I'm sad to say it, but philosophy won't disappear as of yet.
 
Philosophy has already answered the question about God.

Spoiler :
I don't think you'll like it though. ;)

You type that like Philosophy is a person. So which philosopher has your favorite answer on God?
 
The fun part of philosophy is to discuss ;)

I quite agree.;)

The "problem" with philosophy is that it is disucssion the said questions and not answering them; however, the reason we have the term philosophy is that most of these questions are unanswerable. I'm sad to say it, but philosophy won't disappear as of yet.

I'd have to disagree: philosophy actually does provide answers (it's not all about questions), but, as previous posts show, it doesn't always provide uniform or definitive answers. That may indeed be because certain questions are unanswerable in this fashion.
 

Free will
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(By example.)

I want an apple. Why? I might be hungry, or specifically desire the taste that an apple provides. So hunger or desire makes me want an apple.

I can do this, I can do that. What shall I do? Something will make me decide what to do.

(Challenge: try to find free will.)

The will is an expression of something else. To have a free will would be like making a decision purely by chance. Or, if one had a free will, a decision would not be influenced by any factor.



Platonic
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Inventions do not exist.

(What we call an invention, is actually the realization of a possibility that already existed - irrespective of the discovery of it. The invention of the paperclip for instance is, when we look at it closely, the d i s c o v - e r y of the paperclip. Or, to be more precise, the i d e a of the paperclip. The fact that paperclips did not exist before they were invented, does not matter. Similarly, the fact that the atomic bomb did not exist before, does not exclude the p o s s i b i l i t y of its existence - again, irrespective of the fact if someone had the idea to construct it. In other words, the fact that no one had the idea to invent something, has no bearing on the fact that the idea of something already exists. The idea simply has not come into reality yet. Once again: ideas can be as real as what they represent.)
 
The will is an expression of something else.

Yeah, it's the expression of a person. And a person doesn't come from nowhere. Is there a problem here?

To have a free will would be like making a decision purely by chance. Or, if one had a free will, a decision would not be influenced by any factor.

Non sequitur alert! :run:
 
Will sucks, and the principle of sufficient reason is shallow.
 
Non sequitur alert! :run:

Dennett puts it like this: What would make a particular decision "more free?" Take out emotional factors that cloud your rationality, perhaps, take out biological factors that predispose you to a certain pattern of behavior, take out situational factors that constrain your set of possible choices, take out anything else that is somehow influencing your decision, and it becomes sort of nonsensical; there never was an independent "will" there in the first place. If we want to have a free will, it can't be separate from all of these things that, at first glance, seem to be out of our control.
 
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Philosophers rock! :band:

Will sucks, and the principle of sufficient reason is shallow.

Following which argument?

Yeah, it's the expression of a person.

Really? Read the next post.

Dennett puts it like this: What would make a particular decision "more free?" Take out emotional factors that cloud your rationality, perhaps, take out biological factors that predispose you to a certain pattern of behavior, take out situational factors that constrain your set of possible choices, take out anything else that is somehow influencing your decision, and it becomes sort of nonsensical; there never was an independent "will" there in the first place. If we want to have a free will, it can't be separate from all of these things that, at first glance, seem to be out of our control.

Emotional factors "that cloud your rationality" may actually be expressions of what one likes, ergo expressions of the will; taking out all factors may result in loss of will, as what we want is an end result of (taking into account) all factors. Is exactly what I meant.

Anyway, I posted these fragments (written quite a while ago), as I'm not done yet with my article on Anaximander.
 
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