What weapon should I get for self-defense?

Some intresting advice given so far. So your situation is your going to school and some idiots are beating people up and robbing them. You, understandibly, don't want to be a victim. There are things you can do to protect yourself, it all depends on you and what level your willing to go to. You have a right to be safe and defend yourself, no one can take that from you.

I've looked into this topic and studied it alot over the years, due to my current profession and as a subject of general intrest when I was younger. I've walked foot patrols from Baghdad to the mountians of Afghanistan to just trying to get home from the bar on the streets of new york. I like to think I know a thing or three about this :)

Step 1 - Get Tactical.

Start thinking about things that lead to situations like this as well as how to AVOID them. Pay attention to your soroundings at all times. The last thing you, as an untrained student, want to be in is a phyiscal struggle. Why? Cause you or someone else will get hurt!

Your Apperance - Plays a big part in things. If you look like a victim waiting to happen you will become one. You don't need to be 6'5 and 260lbs, you just need to look like your aware of what is going on around you and have a bit of confidance in yourself. Don't walk with your head down, you can't see anything going on around you that way! don't walk with a slump or swagger, that broadcasts weakness or makes you look like a douchbag. Just keep your head up, back somewhat stright and walk with a sense of purpose. You may get more ass this way too ;)

Stay Alert - I can not stress this enough. You have to keep alert to what is going on around you at all times. You don't need to be Chuck Norris, yet look around from time to time. Get a feel for whatever area you are in, see what or who looks out of place. LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN to what is going on around you. Don't walk down dark allys, stick to main areas that are well lit. Take note of people and there body language. Are they looking at you? are they comming towards you? are they going to pass you and your getting a funny vibe? keep it in mind and be ready to act.

Have a plan - Never go anywere you don't have at least a basic idea of how to get out of, quickly if needed. Take note of emergancy exits in buildings, mainroads that lead to highways, staircases and parking lots. Take a few minutes to look at a map if you have never been there, it may save your life if a situation goes down.

So now you may say " Ok Bronx I've done all that and I still have a problem... what now smart guy? "

Well, you have options. Never forget that. In situations such as these were violence or even confrontation is going to take place a lot of people get frozen. Fear, excitement and anxiety will do this. Remember your breathing, remember to stay alert. If one guy comes up to you, watch out for someone from the sides or rear ect. I'd reccomend as a student you simply walk away, yet never leave yourself open. DON'T SHOW ANYONE YOUR BACK.

Ok you've tried that and it's not working. Your now in a situation were someone is obviously going to visit harm apon you. It could be some drunk in a bar grabbing you or a group of muggers rushing you. Now your in combat, like it or not. Yes, call it combat cause that is what it is. Treat it seriously and you will act accordingly. Now you have to defend yourself. Key words - DEFEND YOURSELF. That should be your goal, above all else. If you can't walk away, then it's time to do what you have to do.

Hand to Hand - Ok, in my professional opinion martial arts and basic self defense classes are . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. It takes years to get to level of profeciency to be more of a danger to someone else than yourself. You should always try and create distance at first, make them come to you, remember to stay balanced. Boxing and Wrestling are good, solid techniques for this kind of stuff and will also get you in great shape. If you want to learn how to deal with someone with your hands you should look into this book if any.

http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Get-Killed-Rex-Applegate/dp/0873640845

It is entilted " kill or get killed " and for a reason. It's about defending your life. You won't see Kata's and stances here. Simple, stright to the point and damn effective techniques for dealing with someone with your bare hands. Mind you, these techniques are not for the faint nor the weak of heart. You will seriously hurt someone with this stuff. In many cases it's better to simply hand over your wallet or whatever. If you have no choice left... kill or get killed :)

The book also contains techniques for dealing with knives, guns and other things. It's pretty brutal, more real life than dojo or movies.

So now we are left with weapons. LEARN HOW TO USE IT IF YOUR GOING TO CARRY IT. Learn the laws and regulations in whatever area you are in and are going to be carrying it in.

Knives - Don't. Trust me. Knife fights are ulgy and bloody. You don't want to go there. If you must, it is your choice in the end, go with something simple and to the point. Don't get some rambo looking pigsticker, they are big, clumsy and useless for civilian purposes. Go with Gerber, Benchmade or another well know, reliable brand. You have the choice, depending on the law and your willingness to abide by it, on stright, folding or mechanical. I'd reccomend a folding or mechanical for concealability. Stright blades, were the knife and handle are one part, are a lot stronger due to the simple construction and blade being built into the grip. Double edge if the law in your area allows it, no more than 4". Amatuers stab, professionals slash. If you are for some god aweful reason in a knife fight with someone, slash them on the forhead. When they are busy bleeding into there eyes... run :)

If you happen to be the poor bastard without a knife in a knife fight... RUN YOU IDIOT. You do not want to get slashed or stabbed. Trust me. Say you can't run? Pick something up, anything. A chair worse wonders. Create some " standoff " distance between you and your attacker and KEEP THAT KNIFE FROM CUTTING OR STABBING YOU!

Batons and various other blunt force instruments - Asp batons are a good bet, depending again on the law. In a pinch a rock or a brick can work wonders too. You want something either concealable in the case of the asp or eazily found like the rock. There are a ton of books and videos about proper useage. Headshots kill or inflict serious harm, they may land YOU in jail. Legs are a good choice. Why? Cause afterwards you can LEAVE.

Guns - Checkmate. You pull steel on another man you better be willing to use it and don't think I am joking. It may have started out as a robbery but it has just turned into something more once you pull a gun. GET PROFESSIONAL TRAINING. Safe handleing, cleaning and useage all need to be covered. Figure out what will work for you. In the situation you are describeing, a simple and unglamorious .38 snub nose with hollow point ammunition will end there criminal days right there. For good. Keep that in mind. Guns kill or maim and once you pull that trigger you can not take the bullet back. You can miss and hit someone else! it happens more often than you would like to think!

I hope that helps.

Bronx

ps - If one is not prepared to take the life of another in a true life or death encounter, than that individual should not even attempt to consider themselves capable of self-defense. Always keep that in mind please. Sometimes it's better and safer just to go to the police.
 
If most of the crime is commited by unarmed folks then just walking around with a baseball bat at night may help. The thugs may still be capable of beating you, but why should they go after someone who may seriously hurt them when there are much easier targets?

That's actually the best suggestion I've heard yet. The reason this muggers are roaming the campus is because they assume students are unarmed and easy pickings. Surprising them however, by pulling out a small and concealed weapon close quarters may get you killed. Think about it, if you were a mugger and stalking people from a distance, who would you attack, someone wielding an aluminum bat or someone who is apparently unarmed.
 
Recently there have been a series of muggings and robberies on college students in my area. 2-3 guys go and overpower someone beat him over the head and steal his cash and cellphone as he goes back to the dorms. It usually happens around 2-3 am.

Now I can easily see myself in such a situation. I live on campus so buying a gun is out of the question. But pepper spray, or a taser might be an option. What do you think?

These things have been happening earlier and earlier. It's somewhat concerning.

I don't recommend a knife, since the thugs (or thugees; you're Indian :p ) could disarm you. Pepper spray seems like a good choice since it'll let you get away but doesn't cause much permanent damage, so pepper spay entails less repercussions if you get disarmed and you're less likely to do severe damage to the assailant, reducing legal risks.

But if you get one, make sure it's legal in your jurisdiction. Knives can be carried in most of California if they're under 4 inches but the legal length on University of California property is 2.4 inches. I went on a hike on University land yesterday and moved my knife from my belt to my backpack just in case I ran into a cop and he enforced the University's law.
 
+1 to alertness as well. It's hard to be really alert when you're drunk at 2am, though. But when possible, keep an eye out and avoid situations.

Anyway, I think this site is the best self-defense site I've found over the years (the robbery section is key, hint hint at the top in white font):
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/index.html

And, in refutation of most of the knife crap in this thread:
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighting.html

The idea of walking around with a bat in the open is ridiculous. The police are not going to stand for people idling around campus with lethal weapons at the ready, and if you do get attacked, you're in for a hell of a legal fight, because you immediately escalated the situation since you had a deadly weapon in your hand. Self-defense pleas don't work when you're the one that enters a situation swinging a bat.

Use non-lethal measures and find a group to walk with if you're scared. The rest of the advice on that site will fill in the gaps.

[Edit] I'd like to add that the Mace should be a last resort, not a first resort. Consider it "lethal" self-defense in that sense. Using it immediately escalates the situation, and you do not want to escalate things. If the robbers just want your wallet and phone, even if you have the Mace at the ready, give them your wallet and phone. It's idiotic to try to escalate such a one-sided (against you) situation. You shouldn't be walking around with anything of serious value at night anyway. I don't even walk around with my wallet when I go out - just some bar money, a phone, Mace, an ID, and a debit card maybe. At worst, I will lose $60 and have to get a new license and make some phone calls. A cheap price for your physical wellbeing, one day's worth of work...
 
sulfuric acid+habenero extract+bleach... one shot in eyes and well...
 
What weapon should I get for self-defense?

Surprise, that's easy in a world of cowards.

Small frame .357 (hammerless) rev loaded with .38 safety.

Personally? A 1911 locked and cocked. Maybe a glock compact 40 cal. (launching at .357 velo) but the rev for noobs (and backup anyway). I might go .38 frame as a pure back-up, but not for primary defense.

Three big dudes, 1.5 seconds, conflict over. Support "stand your ground" legislation. In Florida (thank you Jeb Bush) and a few other states, one can use deadly force to prevent any violent felony - regardless of where one may be (assuming you are there legally).

Carry concealed and drop those bastards.

You too can be The Punisher. :evil:

Spoiler :
Yee haw
 
Impromptu chemical warfare is frowned on.

sulfuric acid+habenero extract+bleach... one shot in eyes and well...
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DNK said:
And, in refutation of most of the knife crap in this thread:
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighting.html

Most people were in agreement with this. IIRC, even Bruce Lee was pretty much in agreement.

I think the one martial art that would be kick ass with a small foreign object (knife or not), would be Phillipino Escrima.
 
Listen to Bronx Warlord, he knows what he's talking about, though there are a few things he said I'de like to add to... Just to point it out, reading books and websites isn't worth . .. .. .. . on the street, you have to get up go out and practice, be it martial arts practice or just time on the shooting range. You can't learn to use any weapon by reading a bopok, and there is no substitute for knowing your weapon, your body, and exactly how to use them in a confrontation. You can't learn any of that from books.

In regards to martial arts, yo should realize exactly what they are and what they aren't. Martial arts training will make you far safer and stronger, but it's not instant, you can't train for two weeks and then go kick ass, that works in the movies, but not real life. In real life you need to take years training every week, before you become a baddarse who can survive an encounter with multiple armed enemies. If you train religiously in something like Kali and carry a telescoping baton wherever you go you can kill random chumps for breakfast, but you don't have that option because you haven't trained religiously for years. Even if you went out and bought a Glock 9mm tomorrow you wouldn't be ready to defend yourself without a few weeks worth of practice shooting and basic weapons retention techniques. Seriously, just try to avoid these types of situations using Bronx Warlord's techniques and remember reading books is worthless. Go out and train even if you just spend an afternoon getting beat up in a random boxing gym it builds pain tolerance and gives you a feeling of what it's like to be hit. I know from practicing with new students where I train in Aikido that most people have no idea what it feels like to be punched or hit. I assume you count as one of those people, also remember escape at all costs. Don't fight if you have any other options, if they grab your clothes ditch them, if they grab your wrist just turn it and pull out using the weak spot where the thumb and fingers meet (Practice with a friend to find it), then run.
 
Wow, there are some real hard-asses visiting this forum. Impressed Ziggy is impressed.

Anyway, this reminded me of a lady I met in Amsterdam who told me her mother always carries a loud-as-hell air horn in her purse. Apparently worked like a charm a couple of times. Muggers don't like to be the centerpiece of a shipload of noise attracting all kinds of attention.

Not saying you should buy an air horn, just thought it was a creative way of dealing with it.
 
Wow, there are some real hard-asses visiting this forum. Impressed Ziggy is impressed.

Anyway, this reminded me of a lady I met in Amsterdam who told me her mother always carries a loud-as-hell air horn in her purse. Apparently worked like a charm a couple of times. Muggers don't like to be the centerpiece of a shipload of noise attracting all kinds of attention.

Not saying you should buy an air horn, just thought it was a creative way of dealing with it.
Most unis give away free rape alarms, which I guess works well in a mugging too. But from what... some guy... earlier in the thread... said, it doesn't seem that anyone has time to sound ze alarm before getting whacked over the head and robbed.

Also I suggest a training montage.
 
Most unis give away free rape alarms, which I guess works well in a mugging too. But from what... some guy... earlier in the thread... said, it doesn't seem that anyone has time to sound ze alarm before getting whacked over the head and robbed.
Nothing much can help against that. Not even the coolest badass gun in the world which sits in your pocket. Well, maybe a helmet.
 
Nothing much can help against that. Not even the coolest badass gun in the world which sits in your pocket. Well, maybe a helmet.

Situational Awareness.
 
was my idea worth anything
 
was my idea worth anything
I think all the ideas except "stay the hell out of the way" are bad. Yours might be a little better than most (sounds like a good emergency measure like pepper spray).

If the attacks occur to drunk kids from 2-3AM then don't walk the streets at that time or if you must keep all your wits about you & prepare to run, fast, if you see anyone approaching you from the front or behind. Also, someone on this thread said "don't look behind you, it conveys weakness", that's about the dumbest thing I've read on here (no offense). Look all ways, it could save your ass. If trouble starts coming at you sprint as fast as possible & yell as loud as possible. Unless you're fat or terribly out of shape, you're probably get away, fear is a more powerful motivator than petty greed.

Ignore all the Net tough-guy advice about guns, roundhouse-kicks & the like. Better just to be where the violence is not. For insurance you could always take a martial art. That way you'll get the ability to respond to attacks into your bodily-intelligence & if you can f-up the first attacker the rest may flee (or they may beat you into a pulp or kill you which, again, is why it's always better to flee). Still, this advice doesn't solve your short term problem since, by the time you become an adept fighter, you'll probably be graduated.
 
none. if you bring out a weapon, then they will have no reason not to use theirs. you will precipitate a worse fight than by not having one.
 
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