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I think many people see them similarly to Native Americans. The Amish are good at what they do and have a pretty solid reactionary and backward culture. Straw hats, black suits and funny beards. The women so prim and proper. I'm glad they enjoy their lifestyle community values. US tribes also look to be quaint and nostalgic on the outside with all their stewardship of the land values and fancy public rituals. Tribal life is nothing like one would expect, especially in the traditional tribes. They are closer to the Taliban than to middle of the road Americans. Internal tribal life is nothing like the movies.
 
Birdjaguar said:
I think many people see them similarly to Native Americans. The Amish are good at what they do and have a pretty solid reactionary and backward culture. Straw hats, black suits and funny beards. The women so prim and proper. I'm glad they enjoy their lifestyle community values. US tribes also look to be quaint and nostalgic on the outside with all their stewardship of the land values and fancy public rituals. Tribal life is nothing like one would expect, especially in the traditional tribes. They are closer to the Taliban than to middle of the road Americans. Internal tribal life is nothing like the movies.
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Depends on the sect.

The Schwarzentrubers are all buggy. They wear all black. They don't even accept rides, so far as I know. The rest do.

There are some cultural differences. Some can be jarring.

As far as I can tell
1. Yeah there is indeed horsehockey everywhere
2. There is less taboo about staring in Amish culture. Much less. If you're in line at DG, the Amish ahead of you may turn around to stare, and so will the ones behind you. Directly, and unbroken. This creates some awkwardness.
3. Personal property is not as strong a line. If I go to the laundromat, there is a strong chance an Amish will take my clothes out of the dryer. Not to steal. They just want the dryer. They'll leave the clothes neatly folded on a table. Which is, alright, I guess. Whatever.
4. During covid, no masks, no distancing, didn't reduce crowd sizes. No covid denial amongst them so far as I could tell. Who lives, who dies, all considered the will of God. This extends further, to most illnesses and injuries.
5. No education. Believe it would promote social stratification.
6. Bishops have a much more active role. They're mayor, labor organizer, arbiter of disputes. All the functions of government essentially rolled into one man. In some sects, bishops even approve brands available for purchase - at whim, they can determine that the members of their sect don't buy Nichols bread(coworker always complained about this)

They also really like baseball. Amish baseball games are really common.
 
New Orleans
 
Birdjaguar said:
US tribes also look to be quaint and nostalgic on the outside with all their stewardship of the land values and fancy public rituals. Tribal life is nothing like one would expect, especially in the traditional tribes. They are closer to the Taliban than to middle of the road Americans. Internal tribal life is nothing like the movies.
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Like the Taliban say what?

I've never once heard of native American terrorism in my lifetime.

And of all those American groups who love to air their grievences (one thing that seems to unite us all) Native Americans probably have the most excuse to do so.

My understanding is limited, at some point in my life I'd like to visit some reservations but my understanding is most of their struggles these days are internal ones (alcoholism, unemployment, despair) not outward hate and aggression.
 
Narz said:
I've never once heard of native American terrorism in my lifetime.
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That is only because you were not alive during the Indian Wars. If there was still some native inhabitants fighting for their land against colonists they would clearly be labelled terrorists.
 
Samson said:
That is only because you were not alive during the Indian Wars. If there was still some native inhabitants fighting for their land against colonists they would clearly be labelled terrorists.
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Tbf some of them would be. The army would be war criminals though.
 
The closest we have to Amish in this part of the country are the Hutterites, and I would not characterize them as "charming." I don't care what their cultural norms are - in a pandemic, when you're interacting with people outside the colony, you follow the same rules everyone else follows, and you get your damn shots. All it takes is one carrier to wander through a marketplace or store, sneeze or talk carelessly, and you've potentially affected dozens, even hundreds of strangers' lives.

In pre-pandemic times, I've had a couple of interesting encounters with Hutterite women.

One thing not mentioned about blizzards and wind is the fact that the wind blows the snow into drifts. Snow drifts can bury a car in a short time, and if you're in that car, you're in trouble. That's why people are told to have emergency kits in their vehicles if they have to travel on the highways in winter. Walking out to find help is a great way for someone to find your dead body months later, so you need a way to keep warm, you need emergency food and water, spare meds if you're on prescription drugs, flashlight, first aid kit, shovel, and a whole lot more.

Oh, and snow that doesn't melt until mid-April? Perfectly normal here.
 
Watertown NY (which I grew up about 90 minutes north of, and so I've always considered Watertown more of a central New York location) is prone to Lake Effect snowstorms, which are another form of blizzard. Here is a pic I took in February 2019 during a Lake Effect event near Watertown:
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This is Interstate 81, which is a 4 lane highway (or not so much during a lake effect event). The plows were doing their best just to keep one lane each direction open, and as you can see they weren't even trying to plow the exits. Later that day I-81 was closed for about 24 hours due to the persisting lake effect snow event.

That said, I'll take blizzards any day over weather like they have in Phoenix AZ: in May 2020 my wife was working on an Indian reservation south of Phoenix, and by 9am the temperature was already +47C: if your car broke down in the desert there you were gonna be in deep kimche in a short amount of time, and I knew if I didn't get my daily jog in by 7am then I might as well forget it and would have to stare at the 4 walls of our air b-n-b for another day. And temperature-wise it was like that pretty much every day in Phoenix, whereas after a blizzard I know that its gonna be great skiing once the roads are cleared. :snowlaugh:

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I prefer horse leavings to fumes. Confinement operations get a little rank when the wind is wrong and they're cleaning pits or injecting, but I grew up around livestock farms and don't mind the smell of the manure spreader running. It's just poop. By next year it will be dirt, and the next yet your edamame.

People everywhere are people everywhere, don't see anything worse about the Amish than any others.

I do like county fairs. The livestock events are fun. Draft pulls are just something I don't run into anywhere else.

Samson said:
That is only because you were not alive during the Indian Wars. If there was still some native inhabitants fighting for their land against colonists they would clearly be labelled terrorists.
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That doesn't really do the Comanche justice. They were horse lords par excellence for centuries.
 
What I find interesting about Native Americans in Oklahoma is that there are relatively few true reservations in the state. However, the entire state was Indian Territory until 1889, and the eastern half of the state remained so until 1907. But then the Indian Territory got dissolved when the state of Oklahoma was created in 1907. While not true reservations, the tribal nations still have some jurisdiction over their territories in the eastern part of the state. You will see the different tribal nations you enter on highway signs and some maps show the boundaries. Yet these regions are only about 15-20% Native American demographically, and there has been a lot of intermarriage between whites and Native Americans. So it is interesting as being an area with a large indigenous population but not a reservation, and where that population is not segregated from everyone else.
 
Narz said:
Like the Taliban say what?

I've never once heard of native American terrorism in my lifetime.
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Terrorism is not the aspect of the Taliban I would apply to any tribes. The internal social structures and attitudes, clan life, membership issues and how they treat their own members are all far more aligned with ultra conservative ideas than one would think. None of that is connected to how they were treated by white people. Tribes with casinos have managed to get their payback many times over.
 
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