Where you stand on the political compass..

luceafarul said:
Try Murray Rothbard:
Right on!
And for Odin's sake, don't call them anarchists. Look at my sig, do you really think I want people to believe I am a rabid right-winger!?? :crazyeye:
They are against state, therefore they are anarchists. You support the state (to a certain extent), therefore you yourself are not :p
 
Oh God, who is the Mystic that resurrected this thread?!
 
John HSOG said:
Oh God, who is the Mystic that resurrected this thread?!

I think Plexus has been scrolling backward in OT time...
 
Aphex_Twin said:
Right on!They are against state, therefore they are anarchists. You support the state (to a certain extent), therefore you yourself are not :p
Sorry, but this is just wrong.
It's an example of Holbergian logic: A stone can't fly.
You can't fly.
You are a stone.
That is; that both you and anarchists are against the state, does not make you an anarchist as long as you have other fundamental issues you disagree with them about.

Anarchism goes back to before Murray Rothbard was a glimpse in is father's eye, and it is an ideology that is directed against all sorts of hierarchy, not only the one by the state. If you don't believe me, just check out the classical anarchists like Proudhon(property is---), Bakunin(freedom without socialsm is---) and Kropotkin, or check out section F in my sig.
I have already explained why I in a certain degree support to strengthen parts of the state or rather the public sector(those two are not the same) in the current situation. That is of pragmatic reasons, partly because I see it as a much smaller evil than corporate rule, partly because it may serve as a intermediate stage on the road to a classless (note carefully this word, it is an important one in the anarchist tradition) society since public education and public health care usually will lead to more egalitarian societies, economically and social.
For that matter, many a propretarian seem to be quite happy to support a stately owned police and military.
 
We're playing the definition game (again) ;)

Anarchy, in the proper meaning of the word, means 'without political leader.' In your rendition it is 'without inter-personal authority', so a more proper way to define it would be: antiauthoritarian-egalitarian-self-styled-statist-pragmatist. I would then be: antistatist-systematic-propertarian. So, as not to do tongue twisters all way, I propose we call it 'left anarchy' and 'right anarchy.'

(Or, 'evil anarchy' and 'the right (kind of) anarchy'... but I'm flexible :p )
 
Aphex_Twin said:
We're playing the definition game (again) ;)

Anarchy, in the proper meaning of the word, means 'without political leader.' In your rendition it is 'without inter-personal authority', so a more proper way to define it would be: antiauthoritarian-egalitarian-self-styled-statist-pragmatist. I would then be: antistatist-systematic-propertarian. So, as not to do tongue twisters all way, I propose we call it 'left anarchy' and 'right anarchy.'

(Or, 'evil anarchy' and 'the right (kind of) anarchy'... but I'm flexible :p )

We are not playing any game, we are sorting out fundamental ideological terms.
According to Kropotkin, the Greek word means "contrary to authority".All sorts of authority. Or to lift a part from my FAQ:
"Anarchism can be understood as the generic social and political idea that expresses negation of all power, sovereignty, domination, and hierarchical division, and a will to their dissolution. . . Anarchism is therefore more than anti-statism . . . [even if] government (the state) . . . is, appropriately, the central focus of anarchist critique." [David Weick:Reinventing Anarchy, p. 139]
Anarchism is a political theory, not a lexical definition.The people who developed it into a political ideology was very much opposed to capitalism, and for the branch I belong to, also closely connected to organized labour.
Thus anarchism as political ideology is not only a opposition to government, but just as much (and sometimes more), opposition to private property and exploitation.
Quite simply, if you are not against interest, rents and profits, then you are not an anarchist.
Since your ideology is based on the concept that property is the basis of human freedom, I see absolutely no reason why you shouldn't call yourself a proprietarian. That would be crystal clear and avoid any tongue twisting.:D
Of course I can't tell you what you should and what you should not call yourself. But it would be much less confusing if political groups did not adopt the name of other political groups who they in crucial ways differ fundamentally from(I think you would prefer your country to my ideal society, and I know that I would very much prefer mine to the model of society you propose).
Political debates, both on this forum and in RL, are confusing enough already.:lol:
 
I've made this test twice. In the first time, some months ago, I was slighly to the right of Gandhi.

Now I got an "economic" - 3.75 and social -7.08.

Didn't feel any change that justify such differencem, but still...
 
Well, I've shifted a bit to the right on the economic scale since my last testing.

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51
 
-8.75, -3.54. I've shifted upwards by just over a point.
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Economic Left/Right: 2.32
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.47

I would have expected more like -3 on the social scale.
 
Well, at least my Graphic Compass is vindicated in the sense that Cierdan is in the right quarter....
 
Taliesin said:
-8.75, -3.54. I've shifted upwards by just over a point.

Taliesin, if you're gonna use my avatar4 graph, then please, at least save it in another format than JPEG, as every save makes it more compressed, and the picture crappier :p
 
CFC-Avatar-Compass.GIF

Sorry Fred, I've now added you and all the other recent posts.

Noncon, here it is as a GIF, but unfortunately it looks much worse. I recommend that nobody else modify this image...
 
Well, as of page 5 it was -1.37, -2.31.
As of page 12 it was -2.02, -2.71.

I don't imagine the few additions have changed it much.
 
Taliesin said:
Well, as of page 5 it was -1.37, -2.31.
As of page 12 it was -2.02, -2.71.

I don't imagine the few additions have changed it much.
To be fair, if you toook away me and Hitro's scores that -2 would probably change into a -1.5:lol:
 
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