Which Book Are You Reading Now? Volume XII

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The continued failure of SETI weighs heavily among the book's themes. Are there other intelligent lifeforms in the universe? The question of how to interact with other forms of life is governed by the discipline called metalaw, which has implications for the Magellan's mission.

I like the Dark Forest Theory to explain SETI's failure.


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This theory is explained very well near the end of the science fiction novel, The Dark Forest by Liu Cixin.

The first axiom is that survival is the primary need of civilization. Therefore, civilizations will do whatever it takes to ensure their own survival.
The second axiom is that civilizations always grow and expand, but the amount of matter and resources in the universe are finite.

So every civilization other than your own is a likely threat. At the very least, they are occupying a planet that you could use to expand your civilization. At worst, they are more technologically advanced and will wipe out your civilization to expand their own.

When two civilizations meet, they will want to know if the other is going to be friendly or hostile. One side might act friendly, but the other side won't know if they are just faking it to put them at ease while armies are built in secret. This is called chains of suspicion. You don't know for sure what the other side's intentions are. On Earth this is resolved through communication and diplomacy. But for civilizations in different solar systems, that's not possible due to the vast distances and time between message sent and received. Bottom line is, every civilization could be a threat and it's impossible to know for sure, therefore they must be destroyed to ensure your survival.

You might be thinking that if an advanced civilization detects the radio signals from Earth then they would know that we are less advanced and therefore not a threat. But again you have to consider the vast distance and time it takes for those signals to travel. Even if a nearby civilization (only 10 or 20 light years away) detects us, it would take hundreds or even thousands of years for them to reach us and that is plenty of time for a technological explosion. If they don't attack us at once, then we might develop technology fast enough to catch up and threaten them.

It won't be like Star Trek. Without faster than light travel, there won't be any communication, diplomacy or trade with alien races. It's kill or be killed.

So that's why we haven't heard a peep from other civilizations. The universe is a dark forest where every civilization is a silent hunter. They desperately try to stay undetectable while hunting for other planets to colonize and threats to destroy.
 
Welcome to CFC maxmayer! Where are you from? How did you hear about us?

EDIT: I looked for "triumphal arch" on Amazon, but could not find it. Who wrote it?
hello, i am from Ukraine, writer is
Erich Maria Remarque

Welcome to CFC maxmayer! Where are you from? How did you hear about us?

EDIT: I looked for "triumphal arch" on Amazon, but could not find it. Who wrote it?
honestly it is my favorite writer ^_^
 
Thanks; that book is listed as Arch of Triumph and published in English in 1945. :thumbsup:
 
Have you read Whirlwind by James Clavell, AmazonQueen?
 
I like the Dark Forest Theory to explain SETI's failure.
But to destroy other civilizations at great distance would require a high level of technological advance. Plus there's the problem of electromagnetic leakage.

Anyway, Foundation is a book by Isaac Asimov about Harryi Sheldon's ability to predict the broad sweep of galactic history through the fictional science of psychohistory. Psychology and advanced mathematics apparently provide the keys to predicting the behavior of large enough groups of people provided they are ignorant of psychohistorical analysis. The principles of psychohistory are kept vague to make it useful as a plot device. The principle of only being able to make predictions about groups of people is violated early on with predictions being made about Seldon's fate.

The titular Foundation is established on a planet in the galactic rim to try to lessen the impact of the coming collapse of the Galactic Empire. Said collapse is shown by the provinces of the Empire breaking away, though it is not shown how this leads to the loss of knowledge, especially that of nuclear power. Nuclear power and radioactive elements are given prime importance, powering everything including portable flashlights, small arms, force fields, mining stations, and even entire cities. The main theme of the novel is how finesse is superior to force, with the small Foundation managing to overpower its vastly stronger and larger neighbors. This is shown by subtly foreshadowed but satisfying twists.

The use of science as religion allows for some contrasts to A Canticle for Leibowitz. Unlike the monks in the latter, the higher echelons of the Foundation are well aware of their masquerade. One can also see some similarities between the Galactic Empire and the Imperium of Man, particularly when the former starts eroding and engineers begin to see their craft as tradition instead of technique, like the latter's Adeptus Mechanicus.
 
no, but I have read "all quiet on the western front" and liked it!
Second that recommendation. It's an excellent portrayal of that front in the war.
But to destroy other civilizations at great distance would require a high level of technological advance. Plus there's the problem of electromagnetic leakage.

Anyway, Foundation is a book by Isaac Asimov about Harryi Sheldon's ability to predict the broad sweep of galactic history through the fictional science of psychohistory. Psychology and advanced mathematics apparently provide the keys to predicting the behavior of large enough groups of people provided they are ignorant of psychohistorical analysis. The principles of psychohistory are kept vague to make it useful as a plot device. The principle of only being able to make predictions about groups of people is violated early on with predictions being made about Seldon's fate.

The titular Foundation is established on a planet in the galactic rim to try to lessen the impact of the coming collapse of the Galactic Empire. Said collapse is shown by the provinces of the Empire breaking away, though it is not shown how this leads to the loss of knowledge, especially that of nuclear power. Nuclear power and radioactive elements are given prime importance, powering everything including portable flashlights, small arms, force fields, mining stations, and even entire cities. The main theme of the novel is how finesse is superior to force, with the small Foundation managing to overpower its vastly stronger and larger neighbors. This is shown by subtly foreshadowed but satisfying twists.

The use of science as religion allows for some contrasts to A Canticle for Leibowitz. Unlike the monks in the latter, the higher echelons of the Foundation are well aware of their masquerade. One can also see some similarities between the Galactic Empire and the Imperium of Man, particularly when the former starts eroding and engineers begin to see their craft as tradition instead of technique, like the latter's Adeptus Mechanicus.
I loved the first Foundation but felt my interest falling with each sequel. I got past where the Mule showed up but gave up at some point after that. Should I go back and try again?
 
Modern Engineering for Design of Liquid-Propellant Rocket Engines (Progress in Astronautics & Aeronautics)
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In contrast to the electric propulsion textbook (book written by an academic mostly for academics) this book is written by engineers for other engineers. It's extremely practical and covers a huge swathe of information on all aspects of liquid rocket engine design. Honestly it's a delight to read and extremely interesting.
 
I am a novice writer, I try to write something in the field of science fiction, but there are still some problems with writing. In case of such problems, they help me a lot in this case. Have you ever tried to write smth interesting ( like a book) on your own?
Welcome to the forum, @maxmayer. :)

We have an area of this forum called Arts & Entertainment (two subforums down from Off-Topic). There are several writing threads there, where those of us who enjoy writing as both amateurs and professionals can offer help and bounce ideas off each other. You're welcome to join us in the Watcha Writin'? thread, the NaNoWriMo (November 2018) thread (which will be active next week or sooner if anyone wants to ask questions or say if they plan to participate), and several others. :)

no, but I have read "all quiet on the western front" and liked it!
That book was on my Grade 12 Social Studies reading list. Most of that class was about revolutions, wars, and even an essay on World War III. Between that and the post-apocalypse literature we had to read and write essays about in English, Grade 12 was a really depressing year.
 
Welcome to the forum, @maxmayer. :)

We have an area of this forum called Arts & Entertainment (two subforums down from Off-Topic). There are several writing threads there, where those of us who enjoy writing as both amateurs and professionals can offer help and bounce ideas off each other. You're welcome to join us in the Watcha Writin'? thread, the NaNoWriMo (November 2018) thread (which will be active next week or sooner if anyone wants to ask questions or say if they plan to participate), and several others. :)


That book was on my Grade 12 Social Studies reading list. Most of that class was about revolutions, wars, and even an essay on World War III. Between that and the post-apocalypse literature we had to read and write essays about in English, Grade 12 was a really depressing year.
Oh thanks, i ll join this theme next week or earlier
 
Should I go back and try again?
I'll have to read the sequels first. The synopses I read had me going "...okay?", but it's the journey, not the destination, that matters.
 
I like the Dark Forest Theory to explain SETI's failure.
"Neorealism, but in space"?

One can also see some similarities between the Galactic Empire and the Imperium of Man, particularly when the former starts eroding and engineers begin to see their craft as tradition instead of technique, like the latter's Adeptus Mechanicus.
I mean, if we're honest, 40k is basically one big Foundation/Dune crossover fanfic.
 
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