While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back

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I'd say, the only one of Elfie's points that does make sense is that eurocentricism, whatever it is, gained global exposure due to colonialism. The idea that this attitude gained a larger sphere of influence than it might have had without colonialism is perfectly legitimate.

Unfortunately, that's not the aspect of his argument that half the forum is tearing into, it's the weird explanation of what migration from the Caucasus mountains has to do with thinking that one's culture is superior.

Another key error that Elves makes is his assumption that colonialism created Eurocentricism, which he does say on several occasions, though this conflicts with his initial Caucasus thing. I personally think he got a little confused and is now feverishly backtracking to protect some kind of argument, but that's just me.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, this is becoming spam, and moving into the point that, quite frankly, I am the only involved party that is not hurling insults. I have sent my response via PM, and will ask one of the mods to post in the thread to put this matter to its grave.

In the PM I sent, I explained what I meant with the Caucasus. If you're interested, I can send you a PM explaining that as well. I'm not going to post in the thread about it any longer in any context other than as to end a completely off-topic and volatile discussion.
 
This is a conversation that was redirected here from a NES thread, and understanding these concepts is certainly relevant to NESes at large. I think that this is a proper place for the discussion, though the mods might disagree.

Anyhow, I was just reading some of your original posts in the thread they came from, and your assertion that Europe is "scientifically" the place where civilization, and by that I suppose you mean industrial civilization, would arise is frankly...utterly ridiculous.
 
Let's follow the logical progression of your statements so far. Basically, you grounded your idea of "cultural memory" and "Eurocentrism" (which by the way, you incorrectly defined) from ancient migration patterns of Indo-Europeans. How are these ideas that relevant to each other in any way? Even ignoring your pseudo-intellectual theory of "cultural memory," or your incorrectly defined "Eurocentrism," how did the historical movement of people lead to this "cultural memory" or innate sense of superiority? In that vein, what historical migration do you propose that China's inherent sense of superiority as the "Middle Kingdom" was borne from? If this isn't making any sense, it's because it doesn't. Have you considered that people are annoyed you just because of the fact that your (il)logical progression has no grounding whatsoever?

Or were you merely trying to lecture? Because the community honestly doesn't take kindly to lecturers who have no idea what they're talking about, and throws Wikipedia links at people to try to prove a point. This isn't middle school, your pompous and condescending attitude when talking to people who know far more than you is ingratiating, and your elementary understanding of history isn't going to get you anywhere soon. I suggest you educate yourself, beginning from learning what "Eurocentrism" actually is.

I'm sorry man, you don't know me. I'm trilingual, play three instruments, and write. What is it that you do? By the way, in case you didn't read the message I sent you, I am happy to provide books and television shows that talk about what I have said. But if you can't be bothered to even read the Wikipedia articles, do you care?

Also, Thlayli, what I meant is that Europe has attributes that are complimentary to early civilization, not that Europe is somehow special in that aspect. I wouldn't consider this a discussion at this point, I think the quoted post proves it is a series of insults. And what Kraznaya seems to be saying is that because we disagree, he feels the need to bring this into a public light and attempt to somehow "triumph", over me.

I don't think that really has anything to do with NES.
 
And again the problem with text is the lack of tone. :p
 
I'd like to point out that Birdjaguar has already referenced the conversation as off topic, and it is continuing down the path of series of attacks.
 
I fail to see why

1) anybody cares so much about refuting an enormous pile of flawed logic.
2) anybody cares about defending this argument.

I'd understand if Lord of Elves's logic seemed morally very objectionable, but (as far as I can see, not having read it all) there's nothing seriously wrong with it apart from factual incorrectness.
 
Holy pursuit of postcount is a good reason :mischief:
 
I fail to see why

1) anybody cares so much about refuting an enormous pile of flawed logic.
2) anybody cares about defending this argument.

I'd understand if Lord of Elves's logic seemed morally very objectionable, but (as far as I can see, not having read it all) there's nothing seriously wrong with it apart from factual incorrectness.

I think I could make a better argument if I knew what we were discussing. It has evolved from first, I am somehow biased towards Europe as a continent, then I was a racist, and now apparently I'm a ******.

The main bone of contention seems to be that people want something to be angry about.
 
If there is anyone at all that wants me to explain what I'm saying, send me a PM, it doesn't belong in this thread, and would take several paragraphs to explain in full detail, without people derailing it.
 
Using wikipedia and trying to pass it off as an academic source qualifies you for a fail.

I also mentioned I could give books. I'm getting a little sick of people not even reading what I said.
 
Take this to the depraved cesspool that is OT please.

I don't think this belongs there either. It belongs in the private messages, or in the trash bin.
 
Great. Then shut up and put it in the garbage.

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MOVING ON.
 
I asked this in WH but perhaps somebody here would be able to answer: any good books on the Curragh mutiny, or books that have good descriptions of the Curragh mutiny?
 
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