While We Wait: Boredom Strikes Back

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No I was most interesting. Abbadon was most ambitious.

I was a lot of things. I hate it when Beej calls me ambitious. Its analogous for "his plans failed"
Anyway, can someone please post me a link to the map, and also quote the Asian section of the update because my university filter will not let me look at page 26 because somewhere in it, it contains the word "wh0ring"

Oh, and obviously omit the word wh0ring!!!!
 
@Abaddon as you command!

Constantinople
Around the court of the Sultan some thought he was French, others Italian and a small group was sure he was Austrian, but all called him friend. Well, at least they liked his gold. He paid well for rumor and innuendo. At the moment, however, there was more fact than anything else. Egypt had fallen hard and the Sultan was now picking up the pieces bit by bit. What had not been won with the sword would fall for other reasons. His influence was spreading up the Nile and west along the coast to Tripoli. The hand of Beyazid II was at work in the Balkans too. New taxes on non Muslims were coupled with increased pressure to convert to the “One True Religion”. Even the war against Hungary had been quite successful for such little effort.

The Coast of West Africa
Sunni Ali was quite pleased as he watched the three small ships sail past his viewing station on the hill overlooking a small harbor. The lateen sailers were small, but quite sea worthy and could maneuver nicely in the shallow waters of the coast. The king beamed! The world was his. Had he been a younger man he would sail all the way to the far off Scotland and greet all the people who lived there and give them gold. The small Scottish fort was off to the north and beyond that out of sight a slightly larger Portuguese one. These strangers had brought much change to Songhai and it was a struggle to master so many new things. Ships had been one thing, but metal working for weapons was another. Spears and daggers could surely kill a man, but the Harquebus of these foreigners was a fearsome weapon and he wanted them. He had bought some, but his craftsmen still had not mastered the art of making them. These European men were hungry for gold and he had plenty; he just had to use it wisely. Both fort leaders had asked for more land to provide for the soldiers and whXXXZOMGoes who lived in the forts, but Sunni Ali had been careful and only granted a few acres of good farmland. Sometimes these fair skinned visitors make him nervous.

Off the coast of Pulau Selatan
Pulau Seletan was a dry place. The wet coast had been a deceptive lure. Abu Jabar had found a river mouth for his first settlement that was quite suitable for a small fort. But inland the land was dry and hot for as far as they could go. It was a barren land inhabited by lizards, birds, thorny plants and little else. The peninsula to the west was much the same: a wet coast with hot dry desert stretching far to the south. Abu knew this place would never be a great city, but for now it could be a base for resupply and repair to and from some better place he was sure he could find. Fresh water and fishing seemed the best that Melaka Baru would have to offer.

Bangka Island Indonesia
From his small house overlooking the harbor Wu Kuan could keep easy track of what was happening in the busy port. Ships from all over stopped to load, unload, resupply and repair. Little escaped his sharp eyes and the ears of his contacts throughout the colony. His daughter Wu Meiying who as a child had loved to listen as he talked with captains and sailors from the four corners of the known world, now contributed. At 20 she could speak four languages, sail a ship, negotiate profitable deals and even command a crew (if a big man stood beside her).

Kuan and Mei Mei (as he called her) had been reviewing the news so that they could plan their next trading voyages. They were relieved to hear that Japan had settled down and that all rebellion had been crushed by Shogun Ashikaga. More interesting though was the expansion of Japanese territory onto the northern island of Hokkaido. It was a land rich in furs and timber and waters full of fish, crabs and other creatures of the sea. The Lords who had been loyal in the recent trouble had been granted large tracts and they were encouraging peasants to travel north to settle in this virgin land. Already its riches were filling the coffers of the Shogun. Mei Mei noted too, that three Indian vessels had stopped at Bangka recently. They were seeking the Nippon and the islands of the rising sun. They did sail north.

China, his homeland, was undergoing even more changes. The Emperor was raising taxes and few were happy with that. Many factions were grumbling as perceived changes in the balance of power came to light. Even the bureaucrats were complaining that trying to increase taxes without expanding the administrative offices of the government was foolhardy. Abu guessed that everything they were trying to collect in new taxes went into someone’s pocket. The Yangtze had run high for two consecutive springs and the death toll had been huge and central China was in turmoil once again. Floods and taxes bred unrest. The new Chinese colony in Ceylon was well established and ship traffic was even semi regular. An embassy was sent to King Parakramabahu VII to establish formal relations and if the rumors were correct, an alliance of some sort to protect the island from the evil eye of King Raya. Kuan’s contacts weren’t sure it was working though. Mei Mei thought that the Malaccans would put a stop to all the Chinese shipping if they could not tax it for profit. The failed Chinese attempt to establish a fort on Java made the Ceylon enterprise even more iffy. A formal Chinese presence there would be resisted vigorously it seems. Regardless, Bangka Island was a thriving port. It was growing rich off the spice trade from the east and as a trading point for moving the coveted tastes west and north.

Samarqand
After moving his capital to Samarqand and rebuilding the city, Samarqand flourished and trade from the east flowed into the city once again. But further expansion was on Babur’s mind. He invaded Transoxia and restored the ancient heritage of Timur in all his conquered lands. The Uzbeks stirred and settled their differences and borders with the Afghani and the Safavids and turned their eyes to the east and watched.

Mughals: -2390 men

Ramadan 1506, Delhi
Tonight, the last night of the holy month, fast was to be broken in a great feast for all the lords of Delhi. Barbak Shah and Alam Shah would join Sikander Shah in a show of unity and reconciliation. The Sultanate would prosper in the conquest of its enemies. Merwan , wandered the great dining hall in the guise of a servant of Barbak Shah. The stage was set and he was making sure that the “play” would end correctly. His master did not believe that Sikander’s call for unity was genuine. Barbak Shah knew that the impending war with Rajput would provide too many opportunities for treachery; it would be best to cut the head off the snake early and sleep and peacefully at night. Ramadan was sacred and Sikander would feel secure in his own palace, but the presenting of a gift, and an act of fealty and submission would provide the chance to change history and put his master on the throne of all India. He only needed to get close, just out of arm’s reach and the deed would be done. Sikander Shah would preside over his last feast tonight. As he stood with his back to the place where Sikander would be sitting, he noted a pattern in the carpet. This was all the closer he needed to be. With the passivity of a servant he moved toward the door and departed.

Three hours later Merwan stood outside the hall waiting to be called in. The gift was carefully wrapped in fine silk and held in his left hand. His right arm, under his sleeve, was burdened with a different weight. Commotion in the hall drew his attention and he moved to where he could see inside. Alam Shah was face down into his meal. Knives flashed and slashed across the throats of the servants and body guards who held allegiance to Alam or Barbak. Merwan’s eyes, though, were on his master. With his guards dead, a warrior jerked the would-be-king upright and slit his throat. The blood spurted across the table as Barbak Shah convulsed and died. Then the screaming began. Merwan turned and ran for the kitchens where he might escape, but the sword of a man he never saw, spilled his guts in the hall adding to the mess that would need to be cleaned up in the morning.

Some weeks later in a matter little noted, by even those with sharp eyes, a foreigner, looking like he was from the east arrived at the former palace of Barbak Shah. His mule was heavily laden and his attire nice, but well traveled. His inquiry at the gate brought a puzzled look and then the gate was closed sharply in his face. After a moment the stranger turned back into the city and disappeared.

With his throne firmly in hand, Sikander Shah prepared to rule all India. It would be his now and there was nothing to stop him. He ordered a census of his lands to begin and learned men to standardize the weights and measures used by tradesmen and traders. Gold flowed from the royal treasury to build roads and prepare for war. At Paniput a fortress was begun as was one in the Kyber pass. Afghan mercenaries and tribal warriors were recruited. Jatt and Pashtun arrived ready for war. In 1508 they marched south to Rajput.

Far beyond the sound of Delhi war drums, in the hot lands of the south King Raya also prepared for war. Part of that preparation was the grand marriage of Prince Tirumalai to Berar Princess Bibi Meriem. With the thrones united an alliance followed. The war in Ceylon continued unabated with 5000 men on a relentless push to force the stubborn King Parakramabahu into capitulation. Perhaps the rumors of Chinese support were true. But war in Ceylon was not the only conquest Raya planned.

Every effort was made to secure the knowledge of new weaponry from Ottomans and Safavids. Traders set up shop in Aden and Hormuz. And the army trained. In 1509 the attack burst upon Bijapur like a monsoon storm. 11,000 troops and 14 cannon attacked. Goa fell and the army moved north towards Bijapur city itself. Less than 6000 men would oppose them. Three weeks into the campaign word came that Ahmadnagar had joined the fight and was marching south. Raya didn’t know whose side they were on, but felt confident he would be victorious. As it turned out Ahmadnagar was on their own side and was merely taking advantage of Bijapur’s difficulty. Bijapur was lost, defeated north and south. All her land swallowed by her attackers who faced off in an uneasy truce.

Vijayanagar losses
Bijapur attack: -2687 men and 11 cannon
Ceylon attack: -223 men

Indus Valley 1510
In a cave along the Indus Rana Sangra had been hiding for weeks with his wife, two of his six children and a handful of devoted soldiers. His father had made his stand outside Chitor with over 11,000 men and elephants. Delhi had about the same and the battle could have gone either way had not another 10,000 men from Gujarat shown up; and they were not backing Rajput. An even fight turned into a rout and total destruction. His father was slain and most likely that proud head adorned the city gate. Sangra didn’t know for sure though, he had fled with what family he could pull together. He needed to stay alive. The hand of Delhi was heavy and there would be those who would follow his call to reclaim the crown of his father. Tonight they would move again. He had friends in Kandahar if they could get there.

Delhi: -1936 men and 1 cannon (725 are losses taken by mercenary troops)
Gujarat: -770 men
Rajput: conquered, Sangra Rana still at large

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Quick everyone put wh0re in their signature!
 
As depressing as that is to read, thankyou dafty. Enjoy your pub dinner!
 
As depressing as that is to read, thankyou dafty. Enjoy your pub dinner!

Yeah the anime people were mostly geeky types so I should've fitted right in. Food and ale was nice but things were awkward otherwise. Stuck on table with finnish guy who could hardly understand a word I said, and group of first year girls who were nice but showed no interest in talking to anyone except each other. And I hadn't watched any death note zomg.
 
Posted this yesterday on a different forum, relevant:

me said:
I beat Immortal on the second playthrough. I'm a solid Monarch/Emperor 4 player. This game is just too simple right now. I see a lot of potential, especially if they patch the AI and fix some of the more obvious balance flaws. Oh, and MP on it just sucks.

The bonuses in the city states, esp in what is often considered to be the best one, maritime, are not OP. What IS OP is that the AI can not compete with a determined human on outbidding for their friendship/typically find them first(competent player of course). Let's take a hypothetical situation of multiplayer, in which two players both want to befriend a maritime city state for the food bonus. I acknowledge that there are different ways to befriend a city state, but the one that's not dependant on chance is gold. You'll always be able to gift gold to get the city state's favour. So one player gets the control, then the other one outbids him, then the first one outbids again and so on, as it makes sense as long as the gain is bigger than the loss. But at some point it won't make sense to bid any more, and the "price" for gaining the food bonus is set at balance with the actual bonus. What you could do is make the bonuses, esp. the maritime one, less, or change the AI script to fight harder for these city states. And what concerns me? This isn't even the most pressing of problems in game balance.

me later in that thread said:
Maybe its just me, but in my limited games the AI often places forward city locations toward me, usually within my BFC or whatever the Civ 5 version of it should be called. Now, due to the culture system, the only way to knock back it is too use a GA, and only 2 or 3 tiles at best. Therefore, you have to invade.

However, the AI is so incompetent at war its just ridiculous, even at the higher standing. In my Immortal game, using 3 trebs and a couple of champion cavs(playing as Greece) I curbstomped 3 or so cities before peace, in which I picked up another 2 cities, leaving the pitiful AI, Japan, playing OOC. The AI needs to become better, or, within probably a week, this game will be boring and lackluster outside of MP.

And of course Multiplayer is laggy as hell. I tried a game last night with a couple of friends, 3 players on a Tiny map. 20 seconds to load up. I don't have a great computer, but it mets the specs, and so do theirs. And no PBEM, no Pitboss, no double move counter, etc. just makes MP a tacked on version, just to try and appease the ladder guys, or so it feels.

Good thing my rich friend is letting me piggyback off him, and I didn't spend 50 bucks on this game.

tl;dr: Fix the AI to make it hard and challenging, and maybe it will be worth 10 bucks. Fix MP, and I'll pay the 50.
 
So whats tl;dr mean?
 
Any NESers played Civ5 yet and have any opinions?

I played the demo and decided not to get it. Was really let down by what I see as oversimplification. Read somewhere that the lead dev said he wanted to move Civ away from Empire management back to its roots as a strategy game (although I think its reasonable to argue its always been both). Empire management was really important to me, and the lack of any real system of government or concrete policy choices (replaced by some vague, universal system of social values, which seem generic and abstract to me) completely turned me off to the game.

In short, the diplomacy is no better than Civ 4 (which is disappointing) and the empire management aspect of the game is (as far as I can tell) effectively nonexistent.

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So whats tl;dr mean?

Too long, didn't read
 
Yeah, felt like the fanboys got a hold of it TBH. I was into Civ 4 for the MP, truth be told, and I am disappoint thus far.
 
I played the demo and decided not to get it. Was really let down by what I see as oversimplification. Read somewhere that the lead dev said he wanted to move Civ away from Empire management back to its roots as a strategy game (although I think its reasonable to argue its always been both). Empire management was really important to me, and the lack of any real system of government or concrete policy choices (replaced by some vague, universal system of social values, which seem generic and abstract to me) completely turned me off to the game.

In short, the diplomacy is no better than Civ 4 (which is disappointing) and the empire management aspect of the game is (as far as I can tell) effectively nonexistent.

You just saved me 50 dollars, thanks!
 
An so you want to double my work load with multiple orders? You want to try and game my incentive?

On a Saturday Helene Verner was in the market with her servant. A crowd had gathered around a old man who was ranting and and waving bony fingers. As she pushed through the people to gain a clear view the man was pointing at a Scotsman who had been passing and he shouted with more force than one would expect from such a person.

"And lo the wind swept out of the east and it carried the smell of death and the crying of the women. None could stand before it and so the armies of the kings were cut like wheat before the scythe. The rows of men who believed themselves the hand of the mighty were bundled into sheaves and cast into the fires of torment and their kings, who felt they could direct the will of God to serve their ends were left naked on the sand to be devoured by crows and beetles. Repent I say! Repent your sins of pride and greed. Give your lives to the benevolence of the God who is your Saviour and who will fry your brains crispy of you are not careful."

:D

Few things.

One, I repent, but I will still send orders asap.

Two, the major reasons I would is that, as far as I know, I don't have brains worth frying.

Three, I might have to cut and run again after this month of fun and games: mom is up to me.
 
Three, I might have to cut and run again after this month of fun and games: mom is up to me.
That would of course be terrible. Do you want me to tell your mom how developmentally important such games are? I can be quite convincing. :)
 
Thanks for letting me know.
 
I just played the demo and was underwhelmed. Will probably get if there is a nice sale on steam...they do happen.

Underwhelmed is a good word for it. I don't know, I read a bunch of reviews that said things like "its no longer about city-spamming" or "its no longer about micromanagement" or "its no longer about empire management" and so I begin to wonder what its actually IS about. I mean, I was really intrigued by the supposed lessened emphasis on city spamming and excited about the new war system, but it seems to be reduced to that, and if I want a pure wargame, I'll play a TW title or something like that. Make the wargaming more interesting/more challenging in Civ? Definitely, just don't lose the social/political side while you're doing it.

EDIT: I *might* pay $20 on steam during a sale, but IMHO its not worth more than that. And even then it might only be because I have pretty much everything else associated with Sid Meier's name
 
Yes, that exactly it. It feels like all it is about is war and despite what they say, city spamming.
 
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