While We Wait: Part 5

"I HAZ SNIPPERS LULUL WIN"

I see no bias here.

I'll admit, Halo probably requires less skill to be good at it than WoW. But there are many people who use actual tactics and planning in their game. There are also people who develop insane amounts of skill, being able to perform amazing feats most players can only dream of doing. Don't try to make Halo seem like a stupid man's game.

For every intense situation you have had in WoW, I can probably give you one I've had in Halo. Of course, I probably didn't take it as serously as you take WoW.

The point I'm try to make is Halo 3 does require some skill, not just "lololol snip3r rifl3".
 
CoD4, which i have played with friends and on-line, does require strategy, and a certain amount of skill. As in, you actually have to take cover instead of LOL I GOT THIS GUYZZ and the proceed to jump like an ass and throw grenades everywhere while shooting blindly (Halo).
That's not really all that you have to do. People who jump around like an ass and throw grenades everywhere aren't going to do very well against people who do pay attention, take cover, coordinate actions with the rest of their team, and so forth. As for CoD4, it's nice that Halo doesn't have idiotic TEH PWNZ weapons like calling in a friggin helicopter. Makes things less unbalanced.
Kentharu said:
Starcraft, yes, maybe, Warcraft 3 is also awesome (dota anyone?) I prefer RTS over almost ALL games.
I am usually up for most games that don't involve fantasy . .. .. .. .. Kinda like NESing! Shocking! :rolleyes:
Kentharu said:
Halo, which is simply point, shoot, and thats it.
That's not all it is. Have you even played against a moderately skilled group of players? Seriously. Screwing around in hotseat play with the other idiots from your neighborhood isn't the same thing.
Kentharu said:
WoW Arena takes an indepth knowledge of your class and ALL the other classes (the other 8) in the game. Unlike Halo, where you have a total of maybe 8 buttons to use, most of which you will only use on rare occasions, WoW arena requires you to use ALL, let me stress this, ALL your spells in response to rapidly changing circumstances. You have to anticipate the opponents attack and respond in kind and in some cases anticipate their anticipation. You have to keep running timers of the opponents cooldowns, diminishing returns timers, keep track of where they are so you don't get caught LOS of a shadow priest with a rogue on your ass and then get BLOWN UP in a stun lock with a blackout proc and a silence. I've lost matches because i was .5 of a secodn to late in cycloning a rogue on my rogue, causing my teammate to get kidneyshot nad WTH owned by a mage shatter combo while im siting there with my thumb up my nose in a Counter spell for 4 freakin seconds and then a blind (second blind after the trinket).
So, in essence, WoW requires timing. Huh, sounds like the basic foundation of shooting people with whatever you end up shooting them with (or melee or nades):
Kentharu said:
The reason why i think WoW Arena takes so much more skill than Halo (and in a lesser effect CoD4 but i still love CoD4), because you have to have so much knowledge in order to play it, and be using that knowledge within seconds of game play, while in Halo, you simply have to point and shoot or get the sniper rifle lol "I HAZ SNIPPERS LULUL WIN"
It doesn't just take any idiot to take the sniper rifle and utterly destroy the other team. Possession of same doesn't guarantee victory either; there is no such thing as a be-all end-all weapon in the game. I think that the learning curve in Halo is a lot different than it is in WoW, in that it starts off relatively slow and is comparatively easy to learn, but people who are really good at something - something that integrates team and individual skill and which requires good timing - are much better than the 12 year old kids who spend the time after the bus takes them home from middle school playing on Live and cursing like sailors but with less vocabulary.

In any event, my central reason for disliking WoW has nothing to do with player skill (which is a spurious reason anyway), but is entirely based on the part about it being a fantasy game with idiot things like magic and wizards and orcs and mages and other stuff that I consider stupid. Which is a matter of personal preference. With regard to the original issue, I think that introduction of any sort of gaming into the Olympics is a gross undervaluation of the concept of the Olympics and an insult to the IOC (admittedly, after the whole China episode I'm not sure you can insult the Olympics that much :p).
 
Of course Halo 3 requires skill. I'm just WoW takes more.

I do actually like playing Halo, but for fun, I don't attatch much fevour to it because i can't get "better" like one can at wow. I've had killing sprees, quads, mosnter kills, sticks of imposibly awesomeness. i like Halo 3 as a game to actually have fun with, it is not, IMO, a competition game. CoD4 is, without a doubt, a competition FPS, flash bangs, smoke grenades that are actually effective. Flanking manauvers that actually work to root an enemy out of a position, athough the grenade launcher is so freakin broken (you can go up at point blank range and shoot someone in the chest, one shot kill them, and not die from the blast since the round doesn't blow up)
 
Democrat leaders=elitists (I don't know about intellectuals, though)
Democrat rank and file= Blind followers of these bumper sticker slogans provided by the elitist democrat leadership.
 
Obama graduated from Harvard ,magna cum laude.

McCain graduated 894 of 899 from the Naval Academy.

Biden graduated from University of Delaware (506th of 688) and then attended Syracuse University (76th of 85)

Sarah Palin enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters. She then left the University of Idaho and attended Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.

1/4 here did well in school. 3/4 could be called intellectuals. 1/4 is hot. make your choice, would you rather a hot leader, or a smart one?
 
Obama graduated from Harvard ,magna cum laude.

McCain graduated 894 of 899 from the Naval Academy.

Biden graduated from University of Delaware (506th of 688) and then attended Syracuse University (76th of 85)

Sarah Palin enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters. She then left the University of Idaho and attended Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.

1/4 here did well in school. 3/4 could be called intellectuals. 1/4 is hot. make your choice, would you rather a hot leader, or a smart one?

Just because she bounced around does not make her unintelligent. Alot of smart people don't have a clue what they want to do and many never attend college. I am sure she had no lack of help on her studies from the smart guys though. :p
 
1/4 here did well in school. 3/4 could be called intellectuals. 1/4 is hot. make your choice, would you rather a hot leader, or a smart one?

There are many extremely intelligent people on several sides of the political compass. I think I'd prefer one that's functionally intelligent and agrees with my politics. Not endorsing either side here, but just pointing out that if I had to choose between a centrist with an IQ of 110, and a communist with an IQ of 170, I'll pick the centrist every time. Intelligence alone does not make for an effective leader.
 
All of this because I hurt your feelings by stomping on your first love, Obama? You follow him because of his cult of personality and nothing more. Just like all the other illiterate people who have never read a book or non bias articles about Obama and his campaign. All of his pork spending and lobbyists activities. His visitations of 57 states, which he never corrected. And the list goes on.

To finish this, you do NOT run the internet, you are NOT god over me or anyone else, no matter how much you aspire to be. You are nothing, you are not greater than me in anyway and your arguments are no more than personal attacks aiming to fire me up and get me off topic long enough for you to call me stupid. I have already accepted I am not perfect, maybe it's time for you to do the same.


When Obama wins the white house and he fails on all his promises that you so valiantly defend, I will win in the end and you will try to cover yoru tracks in some way to pretend you were never wrong. I know the type of person you are, and it isn't something you should be proud of.

- I really don't think you should accuse Sym of having never read a book.

- If you believe there exists such a thing as objective news, then you've failed already. Let me emphasize, Fox is not fair and balanced.

- Yeah, and McCain doesn't have former lobbyist advisers? Lesser of two evils?

- Yeah, I agree that "57 states" is pretty funny. But it says nothing about Obama's knowledge. Hell, even if the President thought there were 57 states, it would not affect his governing. How about McCain confusing things about foreign policy, especially when it's supposed to be his strongest point? http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/mccain-misspeaks-on-iran-al-qaeda/
This does raised questions about how he'll act at 3 in the morning. "Hey, bomb the Al-Qaeda hide-outs, ohh, wait, the Taliban camps, er, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." vs. "Oh, mobilize all 57 state National Guard units."

- Sym is attacking you personally, but he's also making awesome points. Points you have yet to counter. Insults+cited points > Just insults?

- That childish crap about "win[ning] in the end"? That just shows how much you actually care about the country.
 
LUZLZ VIDEO GAMEZ GUYZ!

Who's itching for RA3?
 
:( Nooooo, first spore, then the new colonization, and now RA3

What has happened to the gaming industry... damned Anarchist-Space-Hamster axis of evil.

EDIT: The RA3 graphics were just painful looking, can't quite put my finger on it.
 
:( Nooooo, first spore, then the new colonization, and now RA3

What has happened to the gaming industry... damned Anarchist-Space-Hamster axis of evil.

EDIT: The RA3 graphics were just painful looking, can't quite put my finger on it.
They were old. They looked worse then RA2 graphics.
 
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Ehm, this was a very typical internet debate, by the way. At some point people don't like what they read and start posting more and more aggressive and less substantive. But to outsiders, like me, it's like seeing children fighting on the school yard over nothing.

You wouldn't discuss like this if you were seeing each other face to face and there's no reason to make an exception for here.

Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
 
Moderator Action: Thread cleaned up. The floor is shining again, so please don't enter without whiping your feet first, thank you.

Ehm, this was a very typical internet debate, by the way. At some point people don't like what they read and start posting more and more aggressive and less substantive. But to outsiders, like me, it's like seeing children fighting on the school yard over nothing.

You wouldn't discuss like this if you were seeing each other face to face and there's no reason to make an exception for here.

Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
Shiny floor :) yay!

About your last sentence, I live in Israel - and I beg to differ ;)
 
I lived in Israel too for a while and would like to second erez on both points. ;) Anyway, thanks, it's about time.
 
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