While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses

[Crezth]

I don't care, so that's why I'll piss off and lock the chatroom and then make two huge posts about why I did it (to teach you whippersnappers a lesson!). Somethingawful shepface emoticon.

Nobody "deserves" to have any power. The chatroom is there to be there, as with #neverending. If people don't like it they leave. Or whatever. It's not a centerpiece of the community and it is barely convenient. If you don't see how what you did is senseless and irrational then I just don't know what. You can justify it however you like but it is just plain stupid.

One line of input from a hop, and we are undone! Tragic day! Cry me a river. I log onto #Nes to talk to fc and Kraznaya and Iggy and whoever else is online. Turns out that during the holiday season I can pretty reliably find those three people playing video games. Predictably the chatroom sees less use. Just as predictably, people like Thlayli and dacha and frank and a veritable host of others are also busy with day to day crap. Just because the chatroom is seeing a seasonable lull in activity is no reason to have a weird meltdown and play Misunderstood Villain. It doesn't matter if the damage is easy to undo, we shouldn't have to undo it in the first place.

 

[Symphony D.]

I don't care, so that's why I'll piss off and lock the chatroom and then make two huge posts about why I did it (to teach you whippersnappers a lesson!). Somethingawful shepface emoticon.

Nobody "deserves" to have any power. The chatroom is there to be there, as with #neverending. If people don't like it they leave. Or whatever. It's not a centerpiece of the community and it is barely convenient. If you don't see how what you did is senseless and irrational then I just don't know what. You can justify it however you like but it is just plain stupid.

abloo bloo bloo effortpost means you care five golden manbabbies goonsir call the whambulance

Look, dawg, you're gettin' angry over me for locking a chatroom you do nothing but idle in and ignoring my points because of that, and I'm ex post facto assuming a mantle of responsibility after deciding to troll you dudes for careharding about your precious precious secret clubhouse that you do nothing but sit in. That's the reality of the situation. Nobody's actually got the high ground in terms of motive.

However, you're deciding to cling to your Bible and guns right now rather than have a productive dialogue over something you don't actually give a crap about but are putting on a great big show of caring about. Either actually care, or don't. This display doesn't impress anybody if you don't, and it's not achieving anything if you do.

Nobody "deserves" to have any power.

Exactly. So why does it matter who's in charge? Why does it matter who the founder and the ops are? The only requirements should be that they're on frequently, they know what they're doing vis-a-vis IRC, and they aren't too pathological. Don't get me started on that last point.

It's not a centerpiece of the community and it is barely convenient. If you don't see how what you did is senseless and irrational then I just don't know what.

If it doesn't matter, then neither does what I did. You can't have it both ways dawg.

You can justify it however you like but it is just plain stupid.

WHY. DO. YOU. CARE?

 

[Crezth]

Why do I care? Are you functionally ********? Just because I haven't been as active in the past month or so doesn't mean I wasn't active for the nine months before that. As I mentioned in my edit, it's a chatroom i usually frequent to talk to people I want to talk to. You making it invite-only is putting yourself directly between me and that end goal. And that annoys me. Whether or not people want to form another chat room doesn't affect me at all; I can mock them but they're harmless. Locking #Nes, however: that disrupts my utility.

E: If I may be more clear: I didn't really care about the #neverending people because i rejected the premise of the associated debate, that the schism was created by a disagreement. No, those regulars just didn't like our regulars. This was also the position held by Kraznaya/Dachs and associates. Whatever. There's no debate to be had. The only way this has had a negative impact on us is when rogue hops take it as a cue to lock chat rooms. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: see, look how much this debate hurts you! It made me lock your chat room!

 

[erez87]

Same reason I care - it was a nice place to go to every some time to chat. We don't always have the time to go there. Nor do we always want. But still was nice to do it.

btw people, they are fixing the chat

 

[Symphony D.]

Your utility would have been restored by approximately 60 seconds on Google. You were already handed the command to undo the situation. You're still gettin' angry at internet trolls. Why? Your behavior isn't frakin' logical, don't act like it is, and I'm not an OT post, so don't treat me like one.

Whether or not people want to form another chat room doesn't affect me at all

WRONG. Your activity goes down. People idle. This is like arguing that isolationism doesn't affect national trade volume.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

By the way, /msg nickserv help and /msg chanserv help are an excellent way to inform yourself about how to use IRC.

I don't think we should all be friends. I'd like it, but I don't expect it- it's not realistic. However, I do think that it's reasonable for us to show some tolerance. At worst, you can put someone on /ignore, and comfortably use the chatroom without ever having to hear their voice. As such, I'm in fairly strong agreement with many of Sym's statements here.

Regarding what Sym did, I don't really have a judgement, positive or negative. However, it is an eye opener, which may prove useful in moving forward.

Anyway, I've talked to Till to get a few things sorted out. I think a practical first step would be picking a founder who's currently got more interest and involvement in the community. To that end, I'll be talking to Kraznaya, to see if he's willing to step down from his current position.

 

[Crezth]

I'm not the one nursing delusions about how an insane outburst is in fact a reasonable way of conveying a message about a problem that doesn't exist to people that don't care.

The "trade volume" analogy is hilarious. Ahah, I had no idea my participation on #Nes could be measured like GDP and was directly related to the total participation of members!

 

[Angst]

To be fair I often idled in #nes while being active in #neverending. Symphony D. did often chat a bit to an empty channel to fish for activity, and it wasn't noninteresting things he posted, I just only discovered it too long after he posted the messages or when I was about to log off. Symphony actually invested into the channel contrary to everyone else (including me) that idled for whatever reason (I idled because I am only halfassedly paying attention to #neverending to begin with). I'm not sure just locking off the channel isn't a dick move, but that's not to say I don't sympathize with Symphony D. for kicking us in the shins. He's not particularly in the right (No one is imo) but I get what he's done more than I get how prissy people might get at him for doing it.

 

[erez87]

We don't all need to be friends. But we all do need to get along enough to NES with each other or to at least ignore each other. Thou being able to play along is better considering this is a gaming community.

 

[Crezth]

Yes, you're right, Kraz et al did nothing to invest in the channel despite promoting it for years and being regular participants despite barely a monthlong spate of substandard activity.

I don't want to hear garbage about symphony being the only one investing in the channel when there is a goddamn !stats page that shows that to demonstrably not be the case.

 

[Symphony D.]

I'm not the one nursing delusions about how an insane outburst is in fact a reasonable way of conveying a message about a problem that doesn't exist to people that don't care.

Depriving you of your chatroom you don't talk in for less than a day for the sake of lulz is an "insane outburst" now, huh? A problem which you have described in detail yourself as being one you rejected any solution as necessary to now "doesn't exist," huh? You, who are continuing to sit in this thread and argue with me, "don't care," huh?

I got news for you, buddy, Opposite Day was on the 6th.

The "trade volume" analogy is hilarious. Ahah, I had no idea my participation on #Nes could be measured like GDP and was directly related to the total participation of members!

hmm yes because !stats isn't a thing and despite it's patchy updating of late it isn't empirically provable that #nes line volume has declined from ~5000 lines a day to more like ~500 on average hmmm yes quite correlation is not causation and they are totally unrelated good sir

You know, I expected better of you, considering you love trolling people to get a response out of them. I'm a little disappointed. You hurt me, brosef.

 

[erez87]

I guess I can be more active if that would help.

 

[Crezth]

I thought at best you locked the chatroom to fish for hilarious insights from Luckymoose. You disappointed me when you revealed it was to teach us a lesson about inactivity. How inane!

 

[Symphony D.]

I thought at best you locked the chatroom to fish for hilarious insights from Luckymoose. You disappointed me when you revealed it was to teach us a lesson about inactivity. How inane!

On the subject of pathology: you were boring. You were punished. Now you're engaging. Mission accomplished.

But honestly if you can't see that losing certain key conversation generators like Dachs caused a precipitous decline in activity and a domino effect that lead to many other users (e.g., Bill, Owen, wry, etc.) going silent and idling in a downward spiral negative feedback loop then I'm afraid you underestimated the fragility of the social ecosystem in a divided community which most members never endorsed or cared for in the first place and that means you are part of the problem, and not the solution.

You are the Reapers.

 

[mayor]

Quick question: are .pdn files Paint.net only, or gain programs like Gimp/anything use it as well?

Gimp has a whole range of extensions I do believe .pdn is one of them.

 

[Luckymoose]

I thought at best you locked the chatroom to fish for hilarious insights from Luckymoose. You disappointed me when you revealed it was to teach us a lesson about inactivity. How inane!

Hard to do when I don't care, eh?

If you want to chat just come to #neverending (I know my sig link is broken). It is clear that none of the people in power on that channel go out of their way to prove any points like this. Remerging the communities is unacceptable unless a major shift in who has control is put in place. I never wanted any form of power position. I want a chat that is not controlled by non-participating bullies. I am an extremely active NESer that communicates with dozens of NESers on a daily basis. What do the rest of you do? If you lack an IRC chatroom, use AIM/MSN/Skype. If you are having difficulties speaking to the people you want to speak to, it is clear to me that you aren't exerting much effort to speak to those people at all. Do not say a community is boring/dying/dead/ unless you're willing to go about more than one way of communication. The chatrooms are meant for ease, yes, but that has never been the case. Over half of our colleagues do not even use those chatrooms. Be active and shut up.

 

[Symphony D.]

The obvious solution is to abolish both chatrooms and put Iggy in charge of a new one as a neutral party.

 

[Luckymoose]

He's already in charge of #neverending as a neutral party. Tis why we put him there.

 

[Symphony D.]

I mean as Founder:

[06:19:45] *** -ChanServ- Information on #neverending:
[06:19:45] *** -ChanServ- Founder : azale, NK
[06:19:45] *** -ChanServ- Registered : Aug 15 21:11:52 2012 (18 weeks, 3 days, 20:05:55 ago)
[06:19:45] *** -ChanServ- Mode lock : +nt-lk
[06:19:45] *** -ChanServ- Flags : VERBOSE GUARD FANTASY
[06:19:45] *** -ChanServ- Prefix : ! (default)
[06:19:45] *** -ChanServ- *** End of Info ***

Both channel names are tainted by partisan hatred. The new channel should obviously be called #WWW.

 

[Luckymoose]

People who have problems with azale or NK: non-participating bullies.