While we wait...

[North King]

Excuse me, I still haven't gotten orders in.

 

[The Farow]

LittleBoots, could you get on AIM if possible? I have a few questions about what took place and your thoughts...

 

[LittleBoots]

I hate to be a jerk, but could you just PM me? I'm working on homework right now and I'd rather not get drawn in to too many discussions right now (as you aren't the only person online, I'm sure lol). I can, however, take a little break to answer any questions you have via PM.

 

[The Farow]

It is fine as I have PMed you twice and you have not responded...

I understand but whenever you can get on just tell me.

 

[LittleBoots]

Oh, I see! My profuse apologies, I don't know how that happened. Lemme check and I shall respond posthaste, as it were.

 

[Birdjaguar]

NK and Andis, I have posted my reply in JalNES. It was an edit so it might not be obvious.

 

[Symphony D.]

So, I've sort of been rolling the thought around in my head; what makes people so dispassionate toward modern or future settings? I don't buy that it's an overfocus on war or a lack of the ability to build; war is just diplomacy by other means and often involves a lot anyway (and lets face it, most every NES boils down to war at some point) while building up a nation is in fact ever more important with advances in technology and infrastructure (there is more to build). The possibility for unique development of culture, society, and government is also equally present if not more so (more so the second and third; an overambundance of philosophy can produce anything from a theocratic dictatorship to a technocratic socialism to a corporate democracy - customization becomes more possible with time, though culture can stagnate, depending on setting).

I don't believe it can be the play. There's as much possibility for variation there as any other game type if not more. It's clearly not because it's a limited time period either, as that doesn't stop other time-specific NESes from rolling on. There is similar variation available for story (for an idea, Coinich's story). The best answer I can come up with is people don't like to be forced into a specific role and watch it go off in some unrealistic direction, but that happens in any NES which is not a Fresh Start to some degree. And people play those regardless (eg: TNES I, countless others).

What is the cause for this? I am genuinely curious.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

I managed to get in some ENES:WOM orders from Azash. Iggy's statement of "I sent mine in... September" should still be a reminder to some of you.
Still waiting...

 

[Oruc]

I like being apart of the history of the nes, making it instead of being given it. I also like the fact I have a bigger variety of places to start, Modern neses have reservations or sometimes you have to be judged worthy enough, I dont mind being beaten to something but not the other thing.

 

[Kozmos]

So, I've sort of been rolling the thought around in my head; what makes people so dispassionate toward modern or future settings? I don't buy that it's an overfocus on war or a lack of the ability to build; war is just diplomacy by other means and often involves a lot anyway (and lets face it, most every NES boils down to war at some point) while building up a nation is in fact ever more important with advances in technology and infrastructure (there is more to build). The possibility for unique development of culture, society, and government is also equally present if not more so (more so the second and third; an overambundance of philosophy can produce anything from a theocratic dictatorship to a technocratic socialism to a corporate democracy - customization becomes more possible with time, though culture can stagnate, depending on setting).

I don't believe it can be the play. There's as much possibility for variation there as any other game type if not more. It's clearly not because it's a limited time period either, as that doesn't stop other time-specific NESes from rolling on. There is similar variation available for story (for an idea, Coinich's story). The best answer I can come up with is people don't like to be forced into a specific role and watch it go off in some unrealistic direction, but that happens in any NES which is not a Fresh Start to some degree. And people play those regardless (eg: TNES I, countless others).

What is the cause for this? I am genuinely curious.

When people hear modern they think peaceful skirmishes or limited available actions. Because of the damn UN and other stuff. It is why Goobnes was great success. An alternate world set in the modern era would work the best.

 

[North King]

Taking a nation made for you is often quite boring, as is rehashing the same ideas over and over.

 

[andis-1]

NK and Andis, I have posted my reply in JalNES. It was an edit so it might not be obvious.

hmm? I completely missed it. Where did you edit it?

 

[jalapeno_dude]

Generally, I don't play pre-made countries. I have nothing against the modern era specifically, but I like creating my country from the ground up.

 

[Kozmos]

What's wrong with shaping a country the way you like it? 'itler did it.

 

[The Farow]

I would like to see an epic nes *looks at jalapeno dude* because that is what is what fresh starts aspire to be.

Now I agree fresh starts can be dull at times but they have their bouts of excitment.

 

[alex994]

You know, I'm still waiting for the massive barbarian invasions in jal's nes that occurs as in OTL

 

[North King]

What's wrong with shaping a country the way you like it? 'itler did it.

The fact that most nations in a modern NES will act completely out of character? It's infuriating to see people meta-game, and it happens in every single modern NES that I've played in, and far fewer ancient NESes.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

You know, I'm still waiting for the massive barbarian invasions in jal's nes that occurs as in OTL

Give me links and sources, and I'll consider it...

And I guarantee there will be a few. Remember the Hittites?

 

[The Farow]

I am still waiting for displaced Germanic tribes to sack Rome like OTL

 

[alex994]

OOC: You know, considering there are Brittanian colonies in Gaul and actual nations in Gaul and Iberia that probably wouldn't happen. Plus, they would need a massive barbarian horde coming from Russia sweeping through Prussia anyways