Who is the most nationalistic group on the Forums?

[sourboy]

Poland for sure, and btw, "West Russia" is highly offensive, I'm surprised a moderator hasn't edited the poll option.

 

[Ecofarm]

Umm, how is this thread not in Off-Topic Forum?? You would think by page 9, a mod would have moved it.


USA #1

 

[WilliamOfOrange]

I had to vote for the Orange mafia...hehe. I am Canadian, but bleed Orange from my roots.

 

[Methos]

"West Russia" is highly offensive, I'm surprised a moderator hasn't edited the poll option.

Fixed

Umm, how is this thread not in Off-Topic Forum??

Heading that way.

 

[bhsup]

Oh, the good ol' USA to be sure. It has the healthiest level of high nationalism in the world.


And yes, Captain America spanks all others!!

 

[Truronian]

Isn't Captain America dead?

 

[bhsup]

Vicious lies and rumors spread by those wishing America harm. Nothing more.

 

[George2816]

Oh, the good ol' USA to be sure. It has the healthiest level of high nationalism in the world.


And yes, Captain America spanks all others!!

ROFL no way the USA (Or the USoI[United States of Israel) Has too much blind nationalism. Have fun living in a nuclear waste planet!

 

[cubsfan6506]

I was gonna vote germany.

 

[cybrxkhan]

oh wait, on the "Vietnamese Kid".

1. I'm not a kid.
2. Theres more than one of us.
3. Pho.

 

[Japanrocks12]

I find the American nationalistic group the most nationalistic and the ones I most agree with

 

[Peng Qi]

I think some of the nuns who were gang-raped by Reagans contras might disagree with you

I think the U.N.'s "sex for food" scandals are even worse.

 

[Peng Qi]

And question is - how comes that "new democratic" Afgan is now world best narcoindustry supplier?

Afghanistan has always been the top producer of opium in the world. This isn't some new thing that suddenly happened.

 

[azzaman333]

You can tell how many people are annoyed with the constant 'Poland is awesome' posts by looking at the number of people who have voted them as most nationalistic.

 

[bhsup]

You can tell how many people are annoyed with the constant 'Poland is awesome' posts by looking at the number of people who have voted them as most nationalistic.

Actually, it doesn't annoy me in the least that Poles think that way of their nation. Kudos to them for having strong love of country and their fellow countrymen!!

 

[azzaman333]

Actually, it doesn't annoy me in the least that Poles think that way of their nation. Kudos to them for having strong love of country and their fellow countrymen!!

I don't care that they love their nation. I do care that they constantly spam the forum stating they deserve an expansion pack dedicated to Poland and its incredible awesomeness.

 

[Peng Qi]

I don't care that they love their nation. I do care that they constantly spam the forum stating they deserve an expansion pack dedicated to Poland and its incredible awesomeness.

Meh, that doesn't bother me too much but I haven't been here very long.

 

[azzaman333]

Meh, that doesn't bother me too much but I haven't been here very long.

It's been going on in the Civ 4 forums since at least early May, probably earlier.

 

[GVBN]

USA and West Russia

 

[alex sword]

And question is - how comes that "new democratic" Afgan is now world best narcoindustry supplier?

This isn't some new thing that suddenly happened.

No. Just check drugs agency reports for 90-x and 00-x. Just check USA press on this subject, for example:

Spoiler :

http://www.laalternative.com/index.php/2006/09/08/drug-traffic-taliban/

Drug Traffic Taliban
Afghanistan is high on opium, not democracy.
by Robert Scheer


The good news, for drug fiends, is that Afghanistan has just harvested its biggest opium crop ever, up a whopping 59 percent from last year and big enough to cover 130 percent of the entire world market. The street price for illegal heroin, 92 percent of which now comes from Afghanistan, should be way down from Bangkok to London, and for those shooting up in the back alleys of Chicago. The bad news, for the rest of us, is that in Bush-liberated Afghanistan, billions in drug profits are financing the Taliban.

Remember them, the guys who harbored the al-Qaida terrorists, who gifted us with the 9-11 attacks five years ago, that President Bush promised to eliminate? Well, it turns out that while he was distracted with Iraq, the patrons of terrorism were very much in business back where the 9-11 attack was hatched, turning Afghanistan into a narco-state that provides a lucrative source of cash for the “evildoers” Bush forgot about.

The Bush administration has, for half a decade, celebrated its overthrow of the Taliban and subsequent national elections in Afghanistan, but if this is democratic nation-building then the model must be Colombia, the narco-state where the political process masks the real power held by drug lords and radical insurgents. Afghanistan is dominated not by the government in Kabul, but by a patchwork of warlords, terrorist groups and drug traffickers completely addicted to the annual poppy harvest’s profits.

Or perhaps the model is post-invasion Iraq, because Afghanistan is now statistically as deadly for American soldiers, according to The New York Times, while in both countries suicide bombings and roadside bombings are on the rise and women are retreating to the burka to avoid persecution by armed zealots.

In any case, reported the United Nations this week, “opium cultivation in Afghanistan is out of control” despite the expenditure of billions by the West to fight it. Intelligence estimates of the Taliban’s cut of this lucrative trade, which represents over a third of the entire Afghan economy, range up to 70 percent, according to ABC News.

“The political, military and economic investments by coalition countries are not having much visible impact on drug cultivation,” reported the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in its authoritative annual survey. “As a result, Afghan opium is fueling insurgency in Western Asia, feeding international mafias and causing 100,000 deaths from overdoses every year.”

“The southern part of Afghanistan (is) displaying the ominous hallmarks of incipient collapse, with large-scale drug cultivation and trafficking, insurgency and terrorism, crime and corruption,” added Antonio Maria Costa, the agency’s director.

Yet on Tuesday, the White House was once again trumpeting that “we have deprived al-Qaida of safe haven in Afghanistan and helped a democratic government rise in its place.” Considering that Osama bin Laden himself is still reputed to be hiding somewhere along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and Afghan President Hamid Karzai is desperately dependent on the support of drug lords and warlords to prevent renewed civil war, such claims are a blatant fraud.

The senior British military commander in Afghanistan recently described the situation in the country as “close to anarchy” and said NATO forces were “running out of time” to salvage the situation. “The narcotics industry accounts for over one-third of Afghanistan’s gross domestic product and poses a threat to that country’s stability and emerging democracy,” carefully admits a recent U.S. State Department fact sheet.

What the Bush administration will not confront in Afghanistan, or in Iraq, is that its ill-conceived and disastrously executed nation-building schemes are sinking into the swamp of local and historical realities. Enamored of American military might but having little understanding of the world beyond, Bush and his team have ignored Gen. Colin Powell’s reported “you break it, you own it” warnings, floundering after initial military victories and ultimately strengthening the hand of local and international terrorists.

Rather than take care of business in Afghanistan after 9-11, Bush and clueless U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld allowed bin Laden to slip out of the Tora Bora caves to plan more attacks and the Taliban to regroup. Instead, Bush and Co. threw the bulk of our military and aid resources into a disastrous attempt to remake oil-rich Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9-11, into an American puppet state.

With U.S. midterm elections around the corner, embattled Republicans are now desperately claiming to be the only thing standing between us and a bogeyman they are calling “Islamo-fascism,” and ridiculously comparing the “war on terror” to the fight against the Nazis. Fortunately, if belatedly, two-thirds of the American electorate now recognize that our president is all hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas, a leader much better at starting wars than winning them.​

Communists supported government in 80-x as well as Taliban in 90-x spent a lot of efforts on figting drugs. Taliban, due to their religion constraints, razed plantations as soon as they found it. I am not saying that Taliban were perfect guys, but at least they controlled the country enough to do not have it as the world #1 opium/geroin supplier.

Currently, huge fields of marble-flowers could be easily detected even from space. So, these things happened namely after USA started very special government reform in this county.

The questions arises - how is it possible to have huge plantations which could be detected from space?

I see only three possibilities:
1. USA army and so called democratic Afghan government do not control the country.
2. USA army/Afghan government control the country, but local officers and clerks are corrupted, and so narcoindustry is possible.
3. USA army/Afghan government control the country, but narcoindustry is attractive from political standpoint (for example, this is the only option to employ former talibans; maybe plantations are controlled by Afghan government itself).

Which one of these options makes current Afghan government better than the Taliban regime was?

What about me, I am pretty sure that narcotraffic is much worse than terrorism, because heroin takes human lives per year much greater number than terrorists do. From this point of view, "government reforms" in Afghan makes the overall situation worse than it was before.

Also let's wait and see what will happen with the country after USA army leaves it. It's quite possible that current government will be erazed as well as it happened with procommunist government 20 years ago after USSR left the country.

I recommend you following "Manderlay" and "Dogville" Lars von Trier famous films -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogville
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manderlay
especially "Manderlay" that answers very well why some of USA practices - like democratic elections - do not provide good results in societies which are not ready for them.

P.S.

"West Russia" is highly offensive

. Facts only:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland

History of Poland (1795-1918)
Poles would resent their fate and would several times rebel against the partitioners, particularly in the nineteenth century. In 1807 Napoleon recreated a Polish state, the Duchy of Warsaw, but after the Napoleonic wars, Poland was again divided in 1815 by the victorious Allies at the Congress of Vienna. The eastern portion was ruled by the Russian Czar as a Congress Kingdom, and possessed a liberal constitution. However, the Czars soon reduced Polish freedoms and Russia eventually de facto annexed the country. Later in the nineteenth century, Austrian-ruled Galicia, particularly the Free City of Kraków, became a center of Polish cultural life.

History of Poland (1918-1939)
During World War I, all the Allies agreed on the reconstitution of Poland that United States President Woodrow Wilson proclaimed in Point 13 of his Fourteen Points. Shortly after the surrender of Germany in November 1918, Poland regained its independence as the Second Polish Republic (II Rzeczpospolita Polska). It reaffirmed its independence after a series of military conflicts, the most notable being the Polish-Soviet War (1919–1921) when Poland inflicted a crushing defeat on the Red Army.

History of Poland (1939-1945)
The Sanacja movement controlled Poland until the start of World War II in 1939, when Nazi Germany invaded on September 1 and the Soviet Union followed on September 17. Warsaw capitulated on September 28, 1939. As agreed in the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, Poland was split into two zones, one occupied by Germany while the eastern provinces fell under the control of the Soviet Union.

Of all the countries involved in the war, Poland lost the highest percentage of its citizens: over six million perished, half of them Polish Jews. Poland made the fourth-largest troop contribution to the Allied war effort, after the Soviets, the British and the Americans. At the war's conclusion, Poland's borders were shifted westwards, pushing the eastern border to the Curzon line. Meanwhile, the western border was moved to the Oder-Neisse line. The new Poland emerged 20% smaller by 77,500 square kilometres (29,900 sq mi). The shift forced the migration of millions of people, most of whom were Poles, Germans, Ukrainians, and Jews. Poland was where the main Nazi death camps were. During the Holocaust 3,000,000 out of 3,300,000 Jews were killed.

History of Poland (1945-1989)

At the end of World War II, the gray territories were transferred from Poland to the Soviet Union, and the pink territories from Germany to Poland.The Soviet Union instituted a new Communist government in Poland, analogous to much of the rest of the Eastern Bloc. Military alignment within the Warsaw Pact throughout the Cold War was also part of this change. The People's Republic of Poland (Polska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa) was officially proclaimed in 1952. In 1956, the régime of Władysław Gomułka became temporarily more liberal, freeing many people from prison and expanding some personal freedoms. Similar situation repeated itself in the 1970s under Edward Gierek, but most of the time persecution of communist opposition persisted.

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So two previous centuries Poland was under German and Russian direct or indirect influence. Do we like it or no - these are the facts. Anyway, "western Russia" is not true because even in 19 century, only half of Poland was a part of Russia.