Why "All Lives Matters" is wrong


Not saying in any way you have to. But i try to make an effort to distance myself from the Anglospherian usage of the word "race" (e.g. by putting it in quotes).
I fail to consistantly do so, unfortunatly.
Anyway, having witnessed some of your positions i suspect that's something you might enjoy to do, too.
Isn't that kind of like asking why LGBT groups don't fix straight person problems? (whatever those might be)
If the issue is completely unrelated the demand might be frivolous.
But if the issue is directly related and in fact anti-lgbt bias is a core cause of the problem.

Say, take cops arresting men in public bathrooms by claiming their shaking off constituted masturbation (often trying to target gay men in what is obviously a huge hit and miss (no pun intended)).
There are white people who can walk into a "no white people allowed" meeting and be met with "oh we don't mean you." They know who they are and ignore the sign.
What kind of attitude is this?
Like, i am supposedly akin to a racist trumpist prepper in a cave bunker in Idaho for disagreeing with strategical premises on the internet, but i am supposed to not afford the absulute minimum of respect in taking people's explicit signs at face value?
 
What kind of attitude is this?
Like, i am supposedly akin to a racist trumpist prepper in a cave bunker in Idaho for disagreeing with strategical premises on the internet, but i am supposed to not afford the absulute minimum of respect in taking people's explicit signs at face value?

I don't understand your question. There is no "attitude" involved. The signs are there to keep people who would be disruptive out. If you are just "joe white guy" coming down the street that's you...not because you are a Trumpist bunker dweller necessarily, but an organizational meeting isn't the place to have that interview to see who you are or aren't. If you are someone who has been on the streets like the people in the photo Summerswerd posted then you've probably already met some people in that room and they know who you are. They might even have invited you along and be walking in with you.

PARTICIPATE FIRST. Don't show up out of the blue at an organizational meeting expecting to be taken at anything other than "face value."
 
No Lives Matter. They're all little candle fires, easily extinguished with breath. Including mine.
Human Lives are not sacred or important. Especially now in the dawning age of the machine.

That's the real truth, but its best if people believe that they do. Blood would flow otherwise.

Some truths are better left unknown.
 
No Lives Matter. They're all little candle fires, easily extinguished with breath. Including mine.
Human Lives are not sacred or important. Especially now in the dawning age of the machine.

That's the real truth, but its best if people believe that they do. Blood would flow otherwise.

Some truths are better left unknown.

Damn dude ur so hardcore.
 
So the phrase "All Lives Matters" has always rubbed me the wrong way, because it implies an alliance between all Americans, regardless of creed ethnicity or race, with bigots being outside of the norm. That is not true. The election of Donald Trump proves that white people as a demographic will just as likely ally with bigots as with minorities. I want to stress this is not meant to be an individual judgment on all white people, but as an understanding that in our current model of race relations, a minority group cannot fundamentally trust the white majority as a demographic to protect their rights. In this model of race relations, a minority can only really trust others of a similar back ground and shared experience to protect their rights because it is in their best interests to do so too. Any cooperation with white people can only be a temporary coalition based on mutually beneficial goals, rather than an alliance based on shared values.
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While I question the usage of "All Lives Matter" (in that -as truthful and rational as it sounds sans context, it is more often than not a sort of 'bumper sticker' that often sits right next to a Confederate flag or other racist sentiment) I also cannot get behind the "Black Lives Matter" movement. This is not because of typical feelings about race or politics but rather due to the simple fact that I am one of those rationalists. We live at a time when the police are FAR less "racist" or abusive than they have ever been! And while it is a positive that some actual cases of police brutality and racism have been exposed in recent years (the Carolina cop who shot down a black criminal then tried to plant his taser on the body. for example.) it is very alarming that the overwhelming majority of cases cited as cases of police brutality and/or racism are not so (i.e. the Ferguson shooting of a young thug Hell-bent on assaulting and robbing everyone it seems) and even among those cases of actual police misconduct/abuse it is almost always against a criminal trying to run from police.

I am not at all suggesting any criminal who runs should be shot down or any such nonsense and, while I am a white man I was raised in a predominately black family (father, brother, sister, cousins, grandparents etc....all black). I have also been a Liberal for the most part most of my life. But here is what I am getting at:

Let's take that case where a black man driving a big car is pulled over by a young white police officer and decides he is just going to try his luck fleeing in his car rather than wait for the cop to arrest him on outstanding warrants or whatever. Of course the cop shot him and IIRC is now in Prison for it (as he should be). What if he had let the criminal just run, perhaps fearing being convicted by the media as being a 'racist cop-murderer'? And what if that black driver who is fleeing police decides he really has to get out of there FAST (fearing choppers and massive numbers of police cars joining the fray) so he hits 50-75 MPH, ignoring red lights etc. He ends up running over two small children trying to cross a street, undoubtedly killing them both. Now he REALLY needs to get the **** out of there! He goes even faster, taking corners no one should be taking at that speed and runs over an elderly woman in a church parking lot before cr5ashing into an SUV killing a mother trying to seat belt her kids into the vehicle.

Now we have a criminal who has killed two small children and two adults and injured who knows how many and the cries become "Why did that cop just let that criminal drive off like that?!".

It is certainly no simple matter and has no simple answers but let's not be lazy in how we characterize the whole thing.
 
That you feel obliged to assertion rationalism as an identity, rather than simply allowing the rationality of your argument to speak for itself, leaves me suspicious.

Could be preemptive, as in "anyone who disagrees can be assumed to be not rational." But it's a new player, so we'll have to wait and see.
 
This is not because of typical feelings about race or politics but rather due to the simple fact that I am one of those rationalists. We live at a time when the police are FAR less "racist" or abusive than they have ever been! And while it is a positive that some actual cases of police brutality and racism have been exposed in recent years (the Carolina cop who shot down a black criminal then tried to plant his taser on the body. for example.)
I understand what you are communicating about seeing the trendline but part of what makes it a trendline is people continually caring in the ways that are effective for the current day. If you're going to be rational about things, don't stop at the idea of being rational about it, get in there.
 
I know it's weak, but I still wish Hands Up Don't Shoot had instead been beaten by I Can't Breathe.

I've not yet run into anyone with a smidgeon of soul who is not super vulnerable to that one, even if they came to me leading with a criticism of HUDS and expecting pithy agreement.
 
That you feel obliged to assertion rationalism as an identity, rather than simply allowing the rationality of your argument to speak for itself, leaves me suspicious.

I did no such thing sir. I identified as a rationalist. A rationalist (in this context/usage) is one who strives to employ rationality when evaluating claims. It does not mean that I am infallibly rational or that anyone else is being irrational. The reason why I identified as such is precisely because, as I see it - rationality dictates the things I have perceived are true. Feel free to prove me wrong. As a rationalist I will readily and gladly concede such if you do so.
 
I understand what you are communicating about seeing the trendline but part of what makes it a trendline is people continually caring in the ways that are effective for the current day. If you're going to be rational about things, don't stop at the idea of being rational about it, get in there.

I have not posted here in so long that I do not remember if this is one of those forums with hardcore rules about 'multiple posts' so hopefully someone will tell me if I am messing up here.

I am having difficulty understanding what you are saying here? Are you saying that my advocating for rationality is hampered by my not holding up placards at rallies or some such?
 
I have not posted here in so long that I do not remember if this is one of those forums with hardcore rules about 'multiple posts' so hopefully someone will tell me if I am messing up here.

I am having difficulty understanding what you are saying here? Are you saying that my advocating for rationality is hampered by my not holding up placards at rallies or some such?
He's saying we don't know you... and when you make a comment attempting to define yourself, like "I am a rationalist" or "I am a professional tennis player" or "I am His Holiness the Pope", to a group of people who don't know you... you're going to be disbelieved... so your best bet is to just talk to us and let us decide whether you're an X or Y or Z, rather than try to inform us of something we have absolutely no basis to believe. Timsup and Traitorfish said the same thing to you... just more directly.
 
I did no such thing sir. I identified as a rationalist. A rationalist (in this context/usage) is one who strives to employ rationality when evaluating claims. It does not mean that I am infallibly rational or that anyone else is being irrational. The reason why I identified as such is precisely because, as I see it - rationality dictates the things I have perceived are true. Feel free to prove me wrong. As a rationalist I will readily and gladly concede such if you do so.

I can smell the neckbeard from here
 
to a group of people who don't know you... you're going to be disbelieved... so your best bet is to just talk to us and let us decide whether you're an X or Y or Z
"Don't tell us what your values are, let us tell you what you are."

Spoken like a true authoritarian.
 
"Don't tell us what your values are, let us tell you what you are."

Spoken like a true authoritarian.

BS.

If someone is a "rationalist" they have to SHOW it, not just claim it. There is nothing authoritarian in saying so. You're just upset because you've long since shown what you are so no one pays much attention to what you claim to be any more.
 
If someone is a "rationalist" they have to SHOW it, not just claim it.
This doesn't make sense. Identifying as a rationalist just means that a person has made it their goal to evaluate claims rationally, it doesn't mean they're good at it or actually following through with it as much as they would like to.

You can call somebody a bad rationalist, or be skeptical of their ability to be a rationalist. Claiming that somebody is not a rationalist on the other hand is claiming that you know better what they thrive for than they do.

You're just upset because you've long since shown what you are so no one pays much attention to what you claim to be any more.
Is it a bad thing that I have no idea what you're even talking about here? Sounds like an attempt of a personal attack though.
 
I know it's weak, but I still wish Hands Up Don't Shoot had instead been beaten by I Can't Breathe.

I've not yet run into anyone with a smidgeon of soul who is not super vulnerable to that one, even if they came to me leading with a criticism of HUDS and expecting pithy agreement.

It's a pretty damning indictment of our society that protesters can be admonished that they should pick their rallying cries based upon which unarmed Black male murdered by the state is the most unimpeachable.
 
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