Yeah, it's our purity tests. Purity tests can run away on you, where the people deciding 'what is acceptable' becomes less and less the voices of the reasonable people and more about the voices of the most zealous.
Why Don't Progressives Do This?
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sophie
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Synobun
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I was thinking of this part of a previous reply.
Reality doesn't really support the idea that "everyone" is in favour of an economic system that protects the environment. So even in a game of looking for the worst both sides have to offer, the worst of the left is better than the best of the right.
Zardnaar
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Well they've spent the last 4 years attacking the centrists and even here on this forum.
They under performed in 2018, 2020 and basically fueled the Trump fire with the you're with us or against us attitude.
Zardnaar
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It's always online as well. Boots on ground very different even in "liberal" cities let along suburbia and small towns.
I think it's running out off gas, Hollywood seems to be figuring it out due to losses on movies and TV shows getting canceled due to low ratings. Pre Covid.
Implicitly, no one is in favor
Zardnaar
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For me it's you do what you can.
Even if America went full environmental hippie you still have China and Russia so yeah.
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This almost reads off like an article from a political parody tract. It also shows little understanding of why voters who support either movement do so, and their true motivations and beliefs. And, I notice that Establishment Democrats, Moderate Republicans, Libertarians, Trumpists/Alt-Right types (who are not really Conservatives - hence why Pence had to disingenuously play pied piper to get Conservatives to vote for Trump and ignore his flagrantly non-Conservative elements in 2016), and, of course, the pure Wall Street/Plutocrat-beholden elements of both major parties, were completely excluded, as though they didn't exist, or were absorbed into the two above groups. Not all significant U.S. Politicians are Conservatives or Progressives - in fact, possibly a statistical minority, even combined.
Zardnaar
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Quite funny. Electorate self sabotage may not be on the left.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...bcf372-2430-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html
Bolton of all people. Best thing for the GoP is the Georgia Senate run offs.
Trump's raving about fraud and can't prove it.
Much misery to them. Let them fight it out for once.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...bcf372-2430-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html
Bolton of all people. Best thing for the GoP is the Georgia Senate run offs.
Trump's raving about fraud and can't prove it.
Much misery to them. Let them fight it out for once.
Not really, for most people it's "make motions, but cast blame".
I've seen four years of leftists and progressives blamed for the US 2016 elections even though proving voter intent and actions is a lost cause.
It's weird you're focusing on one group of people that are apparently attacking others. Wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning? Go to bed too late last night?
It's funny. This is the exact same kind of behaviour you condemn leftists for. But it's okay when you do it? It's laughable, and I'm laughing at it.
Zardnaar
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Yeah right or left to get elected you have to over promise which usually results in under deliver.
Or Obama "hope and change". Vague, people project what they want and then disappointed when they don't deliver.
Isn't there a bit of a difference when a minority (on this board) does it to the majority on this board, vs. the opposite? We use Zard as a proxy for the difficult people in our society, but 'our side' outnumbers his pretty hard. So the relative level of 'abuse' (if we call it that) won't be balanced.
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I don't blame leftists for 2016, Hilary was terrible choice although she might appeal to the "woo women for president" crowd.
That ones more on DNC, Hilary is a political animal.
Still better option than the orange baboon.
Zardnaar
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I think you're using "side" pretty liberally. The treatment this thread has gotten compared to other such volatile threads is outright tame, which indicates that perhaps the sides aren't as imbalanced as you think. Certainly, progressives get more pushback for indulging in similar behaviour, and generally I get why. It's easier to chide than to understand the root frustrations at play. But when Zard (or anyone) decides to go relatively nuclear because of whatever day they had yesterday (not that the OP has literally any evidence for the claims made, either) when their entire shtick is "play nice and make friends"? Literally, the entire point of any post Zardnaar makes including the word "leftist" is that they / we / whoever need to be better at reaching out to centrists or whomever. So this?
I get to call it out on the laughable hypocrisy it is.
I didn't say you did. I'm commenting on a trend that, when applied to centrists (of any particular grouping) apparently justify telling their progressive allies-in-theory to "put up or shut up". And you want nice behaviour in return?
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I think you're using "side" pretty liberally. The treatment this thread has gotten compared to other such volatile threads is outright tame, which indicates that perhaps the sides aren't as imbalanced as you think. Certainly, progressives get more pushback for indulging in similar behaviour, and generally I get why. It's easier to chide than to understand the root frustrations at play. But when Zard (or anyone) decides to go relatively nuclear because of whatever day they had yesterday (not that the OP has literally any evidence for the claims made, either) when their entire shtick is "play nice and make friends"? Literally, the entire point of any post Zardnaar makes including the word "leftist" is that they / we / whoever need to be better at reaching out to centrists or whomever. So this?
I get to call it out on the laughable hypocrisy it is.
I didn't say you did. I'm commenting on a trend that, when applied to centrists (of any particular grouping) apparently justify telling their progressive allies-in-theory to "put up or shut up". And you want nice behaviour in return?
Don't care on the reaction. The proof is in the pudding.
I think the USA is slowly becoming more progressive but it's generational.
Any fix is going to take decades. It's not elect a progressive/women for president and everything is magically better.
That's just the start.
Probably.
Let's just stick a pin in this, and watch to see the next time you push back against one of CFC's progressives being abusive to a non-progressive and vis versa. There's no way to determine bias without counting and measuring.
@Zardnaar
And listening to a New Zealander talk about progressive politics in other countries ain't a fix either. Especially when it's based on conservative stereotypes and false equivalences.
The actions of progressives in this instance don't actually matter (though if they did, they would at least be being consistent to themselves and their espoused positions on whatever hypothetical subject it was at the time).
If all you want to do is count the times that people are mean or rude to each other, that's just a numbers game. It doesn't infer much beyond a counter. These things should be taken contextually, as I am doing with both this thread and the very amusing amount of head-nodding it's getting. I could make one about a range of centrist opinions and get a very different pushback. I can literally guarantee it. Maybe less so now I've stated it outright, because some people (not you!) will dig holes to prove a point
And listening to a New Zealander talk about progressive politics in other countries ain't a fix either. Especially when it's based on conservative stereotypes and false equivalences.
I don't think you're getting my argument. The moral lecturing of "reach out and be nice to people" only (arguably) works when said lecturers don't suddenly decide to play scorched earth because it suits them. It is a position that is tenable solely because of said nominally-moral perch, and playing scorched earth reduces the point any further such lecturing to absolute dust. It's not just hypocritical, it's self-defeating. It's not even logically-consistent.
The actions of progressives in this instance don't actually matter (though if they did, they would at least be being consistent to themselves and their espoused positions on whatever hypothetical subject it was at the time).
If all you want to do is count the times that people are mean or rude to each other, that's just a numbers game. It doesn't infer much beyond a counter. These things should be taken contextually, as I am doing with both this thread and the very amusing amount of head-nodding it's getting. I could make one about a range of centrist opinions and get a very different pushback. I can literally guarantee it. Maybe less so now I've stated it outright, because some people (not you!) will dig holes to prove a point
Cloud_Strife
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What progressives are being abusive?
