Why Don't Progressives Do This?

[Zardnaar]

I never know it's a known fact that progressive effectively "hate" white people. What I know it's a common cheap straw-man that the alt right love to use.

So is this mean progressive as ideology are lean to "anti-white"?

I would love to know how. Especially from someone who is able "balanced" themselves beyond the dichotomy of left and right.

It's more things like getting lectured about white privilege.

Doesn't go over that well when AoC on 6 figures government is doing it to a white from a lower socio economic background.

Strategically that's just a moronic position to take.

It's hard to argue white privilege when someone's from an area that's 100% white or close enough to it.

They're going to see it more as an economic privlege vs a racial one.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I like the idea of Bernie or other aging progressive moving to Florida and running on a one issue platform of M4A or improving SS.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

AOC and Doug Jones had the exact same criticism for the party and the latter is a communist

 

[Angst]

Oh no, progressives might *Hastily looks at list* want to deal with the impending climate change disaster that has the potential to hurt the entire earth!

Yea this puzzled me too. The whole point green economic policy is to basically invest into an economy that doesn't completely implode in a few decades. sendos' idea that green policy somehow "destroys the economy" is missing the entire point; the economy is self-destructing and green policy may save it.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Ostensibly, it would be a tolerable solution to a looming problem. Or a ratcheting solution to a looming problem. So, "things can't be fixed over-night, but will get better" would be centrist, no?

Its not exactly a political philosophy is it?
As a reaction to a situation thats fine and in Biden's situation its what I'd go for but I'd like some aim for how its going to get better.
Zardnaar doesn't want that, he thinks the way to beat the right is steal some of their clothes.

 

[Zardnaar]

Its not exactly a political philosophy is it?
As a reaction to a situation thats fine and in Biden's situation its what I'd go for but I'd like some aim for how its going to get better.
Zardnaar doesn't want that, he thinks the way to beat the right is steal some of their clothes.

Not so much but I think you have to avoid being perceived as blowing up the system.

If you're losing elections because your message is backfiring yeah you need to figure it out.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Progressives need some successes to sell their story. The lowest hanging fruit is probably more socialistic heath care.

 

[El_Machinae]

Yea this puzzled me too. The whole point green economic policy is to basically invest into an economy that doesn't completely implode in a few decades. sendos' idea that green policy somehow "destroys the economy" is missing the entire point; the economy is self-destructing and green policy may save it.

Did you read his whole list? Later down it was

- must defend capitalism and business, even if it means screwing up society and the environment

It's only a subset of the left that's trying to preserve the economy while protecting the environment. In our cohort are people who're willing to do dumb and damaging things because of environmental concern, and they're going to yell at us for not being 'sufficiently' on board with their agenda.

Everyone is in favor of an economic system that allows growth but preserves the natural capital of the planet - except for the fringes who're willing to smash one to save the other.

 

[Angst]

Did you read his whole list? Later down it was



It's only a subset of the left that's trying to preserve the economy while protecting the environment. In our cohort are people who're willing to do dumb and damaging things because of environmental concern, and they're going to yell at us for not being 'sufficiently' on board with their agenda.

Everyone is in favor of an economic system that allows growth but preserves the natural capital of the planet - except for the fringes who're willing to smash one to save the other.

I'm not sure what your point is. Care to clarify? Environmentalists in regards to green policy generally realize that you can't do economy at large without a reasonably sustained environment. So the pick is between a mediocre economy appealing to environmental concerns vs an awful economy with an awful environmental situation.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Not so much but I think you have to avoid being perceived as blowing up the system.

If you're losing elections because your message is backfiring yeah you need to figure it out.

You seem to be confusing progressive with revolutionary.
A system that doesn't allow reform makes people turning to extremism more likely.

Maybe we're losing elections because the centrist message isn't working?
Joe won but only barely.
A stronger message on healthcare, minimum wage, access to abortion and gun control might have given him a decent victory. The people opposed to moderate progressive issues like that are never going to vote for him anyway.

 

[W|M]

Can you imagine the new deal passing now? Social security? All that?

if public libraries didn't exist today, the idea of them would be denounced as a stupid, ludicrous idea only advocated for by the loony left

 

[GenMarshall]

I never know it's a known fact that progressive effectively "hate" white people. What I know it's a common cheap straw-man that the alt right love to use.

So is this mean progressive as ideology are lean to "anti-white"?

They do exist, but only in a very small fraction that they ascribe to the anti-white rhetoric. What the Anti-SJW community and the Alt right do would only focus on them and make them a highlight of the thousands of “SJW Cringe Video” compilations on YouTube and other video sharing platforms. It may be cheap, but it’s effective in making normal people (like I was once was) into thinking progressives are ravenous woke mobs filled with pinked or blue haired SJW out to demonize and scapegoat you because your white and are after your video games and entertainment.

I would love to know how. Especially from someone who is able "balanced" themselves beyond the dichotomy of left and right.

Counting down the hours and minutes before Patine pops in.

 

[Zardnaar]

You seem to be confusing progressive with revolutionary.
A system that doesn't allow reform makes people turning to extremism more likely.

Maybe we're losing elections because the centrist message isn't working?
Joe won but only barely.
A stronger message on healthcare, minimum wage, access to abortion and gun control might have given him a decent victory. The people opposed to moderate progressive issues like that are never going to vote for him anyway.

Yes but from the look of it a lot if the progressive issues backfired in places like Florida.
Trump increased the diversity of the GoP vote weird as that sounds.

There's always been a quiet arrogance that they assume the non voters swing progressive. Both Biden and Trump got millions of new voters.

The problem being Trump got a similar number to Biden.

Charismatic individual I'll argue matters more than policy anyway. Bidens not particularly charismatic but he got the votes out.

Expectations were raised for a blowout though. That's a bigger problem.

 

[sophie]

if public libraries didn't exist today, the idea of them would be denounced as a stupid, ludicrous idea only advocated for by the loony left

There's a court case filtering its way up the chain right now that could make libraries functionally illegal. So just you wait

 

[Gorbles]

I'm basically be saying they should put up or shut up.

Cool. When do leftists get to tell other demographics to "put up or shut up" without being accused of being mean or "alienating" people?

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm not sure what your point is. Care to clarify? Environmentalists in regards to green policy generally realize that you can't do economy at large without a reasonably sustained environment. So the pick is between a mediocre economy appealing to environmental concerns vs an awful economy with an awful environmental situation.

My point was that he was stereotyping negatively on purpose. He wasn't attacking environmentalism, he was attacking the type of environmentalism that's required to fit the progressive purity test. That's why I pointed out the 'conservative opposite', he was criticising something other than what you thought he was criticising.

 

[Synobun]

My point was that he was stereotyping negatively on purpose. He wasn't attacking environmentalism, he was attacking the type of environmentalism that's required to fit the progressive purity test. That's why I pointed out the 'conservative opposite', he was criticising something other than what you thought he was criticising.

The economy is fake. The environment is not. Even the negative stereotype should be preferable over the conservative alternative.

 

[Birdjaguar]

There's a court case filtering its way up the chain right now that could make libraries functionally illegal. So just you wait

Link please.

 

[El_Machinae]

The economy is fake. The environment is not. Even the negative stereotype should be preferable over the conservative alternative.

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This doesn't really have anything to do with the post.

You'll find that I'm the last person satisfied with the progressive momentum on the environment, and it has nothing to do with coddling or corraling our weirdos.

 

[Angst]

My point was that he was stereotyping negatively on purpose. He wasn't attacking environmentalism, he was attacking the type of environmentalism that's required to fit the progressive purity test. That's why I pointed out the 'conservative opposite', he was criticising something other than what you thought he was criticising.

OK, so the point is more about the perception of progressives/conservatives over what they actually represent? Because using the term "characteristics" really threw me off there.