Why Don't Progressives Do This?

[H4run]

Beats me but there's white supremists out there I suppose who have such views.

Stupid to me but there you go some believe that.

And our friend Sendos here believes that crap, a belief of progressive inclination to advocate diversity and immigrant are effectively anti-white. Owning such an idea itself, as you nicely put on your comment there, are only common among the supremacist or extremist, so his "balanced" view beyond left and right view it's anything but balanced, actually it's inclined to extreme right wing.

 

[H4run]

My question now is that:

How many suppose to be "moderate" and "center" are actually a right win in disguise?

 

[Zardnaar]

And our friend Sendos here believes that crap, that progressive inclination to advocate diversity and immigrant are effectively anti-white. Owning such an idea itself, as you nicely put out there, are only common among the supremacist or extremist, so his "balanced" of left and right view it's anything but balanced, actually it's inclined to extreme right wing.

Pretty much.

I don't really believe in diversity as such as pushed by some liberal types.

Not because I think whites are superior more because humans are tribal and more often than not its going to increase social problems.

We can kinda make it work here up to a point but not at the rate we've been doing it.

Our immigration policy hasn't done the Maori any favours put it that way although we're really a trinary nation now instead of binary.

 

[Zardnaar]

My question now is that:

How many suppose to be "moderate" and "center" are actually a right win in disguise?

Aimed at me?

 

[H4run]

Aimed at me?

Not necessarily, I'm quite confuse to where you stand stance for instance you agree that relating pro-diversity and immigrant as anti-white is bollock, however you also criticized the the progressive view regarding diversity, in what way?

It is almost an either or situation. I just seen that like Sendos' case, many trying to play a wise man and non-block stance while intentionally or not their inclination are extremely right wing.

Just a fair game, nothing personal.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not necessarily, I'm quite confuse to where you stand stance for instance you agree that relating pro-diversity and immigrant as anti-white is bollock, however you also criticized the the progressive view regarding diversity, in what way?

It is almost an either or situation. I just seen that like Sendos' case, many trying to play a wise man and non-block stance while intentionally or not their inclination are extremely right wing.

Just a fair game, nothing personal.

I don't buy into diversity being automatically good.

Humans are tribal.

In the USA for example the whites and african americans need to figure things out.

Over the years there's now large amount of Latino added to the mix.

And look what's happened.

In NZ it's Pakeha and Maori and recently Chinese. Some Maori have said it's been like colonization 2.0 as they're going to go from second biggest group to third.

Economically rich migrants aren't helping out the Maori any.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-...-more-difficult-with-big-jump-in-house-prices

We never had segregation or any of that garbage here but we still need to figure out that part out better.

We seem to be doing better than most but yeah.

Imagine if Indonesia imported 53 million drunken kiwis over the next 20 years or 53 million Chinese.

Could Indonesia handle that without problems?

 

[Zardnaar]

Center left leader getting shot at by the Greens.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/politica...lashes-out-at-labour-over-rising-house-prices

They only got sworn in a week or so ago. And that whole Covid thing.

 

[Bugfatty300]

^^^ Zardnaar mask pointed white hood off I guess. Well that's just disappoint.

Over the years there's now large amount of Latino added to the mix.

And look what's happened.

Oh yeah the Spanish speakers just showed up out of nowhere one day. Not totally already here when we annexed half of the Spanish Empire hundreds of years ago.

Jesus...Christ....the ignorance hurts.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: Ok, we are veering a little off topic, if there is indeed a topic in this thread. Let's get back to it, shall we?

 

[Zardnaar]

^^^ Zardnaar mask pointed white hood off I guess. Well that's just disappoint.


Oh yeah the Spanish speakers just showed up out of nowhere one day. Not totally already here when we annexed half of the Spanish Empire hundreds of years ago.

Jesus...Christ....the ignorance hurts.

Please.

How many genocides,massacres and ethnic strife has there been in the world.

If people can't live togather in peace.

 

[H4run]

I don't buy into diversity being automatically good.

Diversity is unavoidable reality in this globalization era, nationalist might try to pushed it away, like every radical changed in society get pushed away by the conservative, but sooner or later we should dealt with it, the open minded folks deal with it sooner, and the bigot later reluctantly follow. This is an unavoidable global phenomenon, Mark my word.

Humans are tribal.

Human is not intrinsically tribal, so human are not tribal, as they are not feudal, republic, nationalist or democrat, this is a subject to changes due to many factors.

In the USA for example the whites and african americans need to figure things out.

Over the years there's now large amount of Latino added to the mix.

And look what's happened.

What? More cute mix babies I suppose?

Imagine if Indonesia imported 53 million drunken kiwis over the next 20 years or 53 million Chinese.

Could Indonesia handle that without problems?

There are plenty of Islands here, 17000 freaking Island, if I'm the one who pulling the string I would give that to million of refugees who seeking to fulfill their basic humanitarian right, like the right to live.

And what is the similarity between 53 million drunken kiwis with 53 million Chinese? I really don't get your point.

 

[Zardnaar]

Diversity is unavoidable reality in this globalization era, nationalist might try to pushed it away, like every radical changed in society get pushed away by the conservative, but sooner or later we should dealt with it, the open minded folks deal with it sooner, and the bigot later reluctantly follow. This is an unavoidable global phenomenon, Mark my word.



Human is not intrinsically tribal, so human are not tribal, as they are not feudal, republic, nationalist or democrat, this is a subject to changes due to many factors.



What? More cute mix babies I suppose?



There are plenty of Islands here, 17000 freaking Island, if I'm the one who pulling the string I would give that to million of refugees who seeking to fulfill their basic humanitarian right, like the right to live.

And what is similarity between 53 million drunken kiwis with 53 million Chinese? I really don't get your point.

I'm saying we had 25% population growth here in a couple of decades, the median house price just passed $700 000.

Right now it's not caused by immigration but it's a perfect storm.

Can't train teachers fast enough, can't build houses fast enough, ourvPoC are screwed harder, millennials screwed.

Do we just let in another million people? Where we gonna put them?

 

[H4run]

I'm saying we had 25% population growth here in a couple of decades, the median house price just passed $700 000.

Right now it's not caused by immigration but it's a perfect storm.

Can't train teachers fast enough, can't build houses fast enough, ourvPoC are screwed harder, millennials screwed.

Do we just let in another million people? Where we gonna put them?

I differentiate between immigrant and refugee due to the necessity of reason they are migrating. I think every country regulation on accepting the migrant, I really don't have any problem with that. But this is not the same idea with the idea that diversity can be a bad idea, due to petty reason like "their unwillingness to assimilate" and other crap like that.

So the problem is not diversity itself, but the readiness of a nation infrastructure to accommodate the sudden increase of population. That would be another discussion.

But to say "yo not all diversity is good, human are tribal bro", nope, I don't buy that crap man, saying that straight away.

 

[H4run]

Please.

How many genocides,massacres and ethnic strife has there been in the world.

If people can't live togather in peace.

What are you suggesting here?

People genocide each other and ethnic cleansing do happened even to this very day ergo diversity is bad
Or to take it literally, ergo people can't live together in peace.
Perhaps in that case we should lock ourselves down long before Covid.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Please.

How many genocides,massacres and ethnic strife has there been in the world.

If people can't live togather in peace.

Ah the 'bleeding heart' excuse for racism. The most insidious imo.

 

[Zardnaar]

I differentiate between immigrant and refugee due to the necessity of reason they are migrating. I think every country do have regulation regarding accepting the immigrant, I really don't have any problem with that. But this is not the same idea with accepting diversity or thinking that diversity itself is a bad idea, due to petty reason like "their unwillingness to assimilate" and other crap like that.

So the problem is not diversity itself, but the readiness of the infrastructure to accommodate the sudden increase of population. That would be another discussion.

But to say "yo not all diversity is good, human are tribal bro", nope, I don't buy that crap man, saying that straight away.

What I'm saying is diversity isn't automatically good or bad. There's pros and cons. Getting cute babies perhaps but alot of people can't afford kids.

I don't mind the refugees we should honor our commitments.

Immigration has become political much like mask wearing. It really is different side of the same coun.

I provided links explaining what happened don't think anyone read them it's clear.

Right wing nut job thinks immigration is bad. Left wing nut job thinks diversity and inclusion at all costs is good.

There's going to be less jobs in future due to automation as well so why import low wage unskilled labour?

It's so the investor class and employers don't have to pay more money.

Skilled immigration sure why not. I view it as a tap. Need more people open it up. Full up causing social problems turn it down.

That's common sense, if course if you're a crazy American you pick out an extreme position and proceed to shoot each other over it.

If you manage to dodge the bullets, Covid etc there's always heart disease.

But yeah since the left is ideologically driven to push certain topics at all costs with no dissent allowed you're throwing open the door for morons like Trump to exploit.

Sure live in the blue bubbles on the coasts and buy cheap crap on Amazon.

Maybe the next Trump's smarter or more competent.

 

[Zardnaar]

Ah the 'bleeding heart' excuse for racism. The most insidious imo.

Ima cynic, all races are stupid. That's humans for you.

Right here right now the big issues for me are Covid and housing.

Economic distress is what drives extremism and pushes people towards populism/authoritarian types.

Seems self evident to me.

 

[H4run]

What I'm saying is diversity isn't automatically good or bad. There's pros and cons. Getting cute babies perhaps but alot of people can't afford kids.

I don't mind the refugees we should honor our commitments.

Immigration has become political much like mask wearing. It really is different side of the same coun.

I provided links explaining what happened don't think anyone read them it's clear.

Right wing nut job thinks immigration is bad. Left wing nut job thinks diversity and inclusion at all costs is good.

There's going to be less jobs in future due to automation as well so why import low wage unskilled labour?

It's so the investor class and employers don't have to pay more money.

Skilled immigration sure why not. I view it as a tap. Need more people open it up. Full up causing social problems turn it down.

That's common sense, if course if you're a crazy American you pick out an extreme position and proceed to shoot each other over it.

If you manage to dodge the bullets, Covid etc there's always heart disease.

But yeah since the left is ideologically driven to push certain topics at all costs with no dissent allowed you're throwing open the door for morons like Trump to exploit.

Sure live in the blue bubbles on the coasts and buy cheap crap on Amazon.

Maybe the next Trump's smarter or more competent.

This is the thing Zard, you really don't have a clear stance, I told you if the issue is about infrastructure or economy it's a different discussion. However you sneakily mentioned the other factor also, like the tribalistic nature of human, the reality of genocide and ethnic cleansing as a prove that human cannot live with each other, etc.

You use those mentioned premises to concluded that migration is "sometime" bad, those premises are more socio-cultural in nature than that of about economy stability and development. But whenever someone critically ask your responsibility to defend your point, that human are tribal hence diversity is bad "sometime", you resort back to your economy mumble jumble.

Obviously you are not a believer of human equality. You see other "lower" human as a burden to your "higher" society of human. And I detest and at war with that idea be that freaking left or right, religious or atheist, because such idea not only condescending but it is disgusting.

 

[Zardnaar]

This is the thing Zard, you really don't have a clear stance, I told you if the issue is about infrastructure or economy it's a different discussion. However you sneakily mentioned the other factor also, like the tribalistic nature of human, the reality of genocide and ethnic cleansing as a prove that human cannot live with each other, etc.

You use those mentioned premises to concluded that migration is "sometime" bad, those premises are more socio-cultural in nature than that of about economy stability and development. But whenever someone critically ask your responsibility to defend your point, that human are tribal hence diversity is bad "sometime", you resort back to your economy mumble jumble.

Obviously you are not a believer of human equality. You see other "lower" human as a burden to your "higher" society of human. And I detest and at war with that idea be that freaking left or right, religious or atheist, because such idea not only condescending but it is disgusting.

Generally I believe each generation in each nation should leave it better off than the one before. That hasn't happened obviously.

I can't fix XYZ country, I can try and help out the poor etc in my own country.

We've got different social problems than USA, some are similar others completely different. As I said housings a big one here people can't afford to live in them.

We don't get the ethnic BS here other countries have orcs very mild version at least.

There's a reason for that.

We don't have the same economy bad say Australia. It's all farming.

 

[Akka]

Human is not intrinsically tribal, so human are not tribal

Hu, what ?
Humans ARE DEFINITELY tribal by nature. That's hardwired into our core. 90 % of our behaviours are based on this, and our brains have whole parts of them entirely dedicated to face and facial expression recognition because we evolved in a tribal context and had a vital need to interact with and analyze reaction from fellow humans.