Why Don't Progressives Do This?

[Patine]

Hu, what ?
Humans ARE DEFINITELY tribal by nature. That's hardwired into our core. 90 % of our behaviours are based on this, and our brains have whole parts of them entirely dedicated to face and facial expression recognition because we evolved in a tribal context and had a vital need to interact with and analyze reaction from fellow humans.

Still, Humanism is a far better ideology and path to follow than the demographic bloc thinking that dominates both modern Social Conservative and Social Progressive, and certainly ALL forms of Nationalistic, thinking.

 

[Zardnaar]

Still, Humanism is a far better ideology and path to follow than the demographic bloc thinking that dominates both modern Social Conservative and Social Progressive, and certainly ALL forms of Nationalistic, thinking.

Heh. Takes about 10 years to turn a American Republican into a kiwi.

I'm not sure the conversion rate is 100% either. Shrugs.

 

[Patine]

Heh. Takes about 10 years to turn a American Republican into a kiwi.

I'm not sure the conversion rate is 100% either. Shrugs.

I'm not at all sure what you're getting at or how it directly relates to my post you just quoted. You're being quite oblique, lately, but haven't really mastered being cryptic.

 

[Akka]

Still, Humanism is a far better ideology and path to follow than the demographic bloc thinking that dominates both modern Social Conservative and Social Progressive, and certainly ALL forms of Nationalistic, thinking.

I wasn't making an argument for or against any form of ideology on this post, simply pointing the fact that yes, humans are tribals and tribalism is a fundamental trait of humanity psychology.

 

[sendos]

To the people here who did not get my previous post, politics is all about perception. My lists show a narrowing definition of these political ideologies. If you don't meet any of those criteria, you risk being questioned by your "own kind". That's how absurd politics is getting, at least in America.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I wasn't making an argument for or against any form of ideology on this post, simply pointing the fact that yes, humans are tribals and tribalism is a fundamental trait of humanity psychology.

What do you actually mean by this?

We are obviously not at the tribal stage of government.
Do you mean that groups based on proximity and kinship are important to us? Thats true.
Has nothing to do with identities like class or nationality which do not qualify as tribal.

 

[Patine]

What do you actually mean by this?

We are obviously not at the tribal stage of government.
Do you mean that groups based on proximity and kinship are important to us? Thats true.
Has nothing to do with identities like class or nationality which do not qualify as tribal.

I think he was using the term, "tribal," as anthropologists and sociologists use it, rather than in a political sense.

 

[Akka]

Do you mean that groups based on proximity and kinship are important to us? Thats true.

Yes, though that extends quite a lot farther than that.

Has nothing to do with identities like class or nationality which do not qualify as tribal.

Partially disagree.

 

[Estebonrober]

Can I ask how a thread about what progressives should do to improve their results globally basically turned into a white ethno-state advocation thread?

Tribalism, immigration, housing costs. . . I could pull this same talk off of VOA pretty easy.

Make your tribe bigger. (Hint: its all of earth)

 

[AmazonQueen]

Yes, though that extends quite a lot farther than that.

Partially disagree.

Modern societies certainly don't meet the anthropological or sociological definitions of tribal which refers to a type of social organisation at a certain stage of development.

Been reading a bit though and psychologists do sometimes talk about tribes and tribalism in relation to social identity theory. It doesn't really come down to much more than that we form group loyalties and often react to people on the basis of group membership. It seems to me that using the words tribe and tribalism in this sense when they already have more widely known and long-established uses is just lazy.

 

[innonimatu]

Diversity is unavoidable reality in this globalization era, nationalist might try to pushed it away, like every radical changed in society get pushed away by the conservative, but sooner or later we should dealt with it, the open minded folks deal with it sooner, and the bigot later reluctantly follow. This is an unavoidable global phenomenon, Mark my word.

Colonialism is unavoidable in this globalization era, nationalism might push it away like every radical changed in society get pushed away by the conservative, but sooner or later we should dealt with it, the open minded folks deal with it sooner...

See how that works too? It was said just 100 years ago. Fancy going back type that "unavoidable" thing? Or are you a "conservative" or "nationalist"? It "is an unavoidable global phenomenon, Mark my word."

 

[Gorbles]

Colonialism is unavoidable in this globalization era, nationalism might push it away like every radical changed in society get pushed away by the conservative, but sooner or later we should dealt with it, the open minded folks deal with it sooner...

See how that works too? It was said just 100 years ago. Fancy going back type that "unavoidable" thing? Or are you a "conservative" or "nationalist"? It "is an unavoidable global phenomenon, Mark my word."

lmao how bad faith can you get?

 

[innonimatu]

The question is how willfully blind can you get.

 

[Gorbles]

The question is how willfully blind can you get.

Nobody is obligated to agree with you, and disagreeing with you doesn't make anyone blind.

Conversely, avoiding engaging with another poster's point by mimicking their language but substituting some of the terminology is flat-out bad faith and doesn't advance the discussion. So is referring to a century past to try and argue against an arguable future inevitability.

 

[H4run]

Hu, what ?
Humans ARE DEFINITELY tribal by nature. That's hardwired into our core. 90 % of our behaviours are based on this, and our brains have whole parts of them entirely dedicated to face and facial expression recognition because we evolved in a tribal context and had a vital need to interact with and analyze reaction from fellow humans.

Akka, the desire to live in communal or group cannot be translated as "tribal". A global community itself is a community, that don't discriminate or dissect other by their skin color, belief or genealogy. As an Armenian who live in France, out of every people or poster in this forum, I was hoping you can sympathize and relate more with this concept/topic better than anybody else.

Colonialism is unavoidable in this globalization era, nationalism might push it away like every radical changed in society get pushed away by the conservative, but sooner or later we should dealt with it, the open minded folks deal with it sooner...

See how that works too? It was said just 100 years ago. Fancy going back type that "unavoidable" thing? Or are you a "conservative" or "nationalist"? It "is an unavoidable global phenomenon, Mark my word."

Struggle more, you can do a better strawman, this one look bit ugly and lazy.

 

[Farm Boy]

To the people here who did not get my previous post, politics is all about perception. My lists show a narrowing definition of these political ideologies. If you don't meet any of those criteria, you risk being questioned by your "own kind". That's how absurd politics is getting, at least in America.

Sublimely proven here, right now, mostly by non Americans.

 

[Gorbles]

Sublimely proven here, right now, mostly by non Americans.

I miss when being asked questions was a positive thing, instead of something to be demonised. Heaven forbid someone with similar beliefs to me question mine. Perish the thought.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I miss when being asked questions was a positive thing, instead of something to be demonised. Heaven forbid someone with similar beliefs to me question mine. Perish the thought.

Your blatant worship of Christian values and destructive tendencies have been noted and recorded.

 

[Farm Boy]

Hehehe!

 

[Zardnaar]

Can I ask how a thread about what progressives should do to improve their results globally basically turned into a white ethno-state advocation thread?

Tribalism, immigration, housing costs. . . I could pull this same talk off of VOA pretty easy.

Make your tribe bigger. (Hint: its all of earth)

I gave the links to what the median house orivebherevusvand the prime minister saying it's unsustainable.

Also the impact it's having on the Maori.

I don't look at NZ as a white ethnostate but as a partnership between the crown and Maori. I care more about that than unsustainable immigration rates.

Doesn't help the rest of the world's going insane.

So basically sit things out, honour our commitments in terms of refugee's and slow down immigration for the next ten years.

For our new deal institute a government housing program over the next decade.

Living wage for agricultural workers.

Let in Specialists we need (medical staff, builders, psychologists, tradies).

Close loopholes on visa that let people exploit immigrants and backdoor into Australia.

Fund university properly.

Things like that. Paid for with tax hike.

What we're doing a not working.