Why is misogyny wrong?

Because it doesn't make sense to write off ALL women just because of several disappointing experiences.

I mean, say I'm disappointed with all the Greek people I've met so far. How does it make sense to extend this disappointment onto the remaining members of Greek society who I have never even met?

It's bigoted.

If you met enough Greeks, you should be able to state something about what they have in common without meeting all of them. A similar diet in a region is one such thing, for example.

It's not bigoted. It has the appearance of bigotry, but a true bigot would refuse to lessen the severity of his opinion if he met a case that defied his expectations. In my experience gender is also a much more cohesive thing than culture, and people of the same gender do share more similar properties.

Have you ever worked at a place where you expected different quality of work from different departments?
dept. A people do invoices quicker.
dept. B people always answer the phone.
dept. C people are lazy, hedonistic slobs.

Something like that is often a benign rationalization, but has serious ramifications for how your department operates. Who you trust on a daily basis is based on a number of illogical common-sense assumptions. Holding similar opinions about women is no less benign, and often an effective heuristic in communication. Remember, I'm not advocating any sort of physical violence against them and I couldn't care less about controlling them.

What about the other possibility - why would any rational person assume out of thin air that the average women wasn't operating on pure self-interest vs. the average male? What is the empirical basis for that claim? Could it be that this assumption is what prevents most men from understanding women?

There is nothing wrong with a little bit of unwarranted over-generalization, if you know how to use it. It adds a healthy amount of suspicion in social interaction. It's like liquidity on the stock market.
 
That is precisely what I was talking about.
No, you were talking about them being jerks or losers, which is a completely different (and quite prejudicied, which, funnily enough, is precisely what you blame misogyny about) take.
 
If you met enough Greeks, you should be able to state something about what they have in common without meeting all of them. A similar diet in a region is one such thing, for example.

It's not bigoted. It has the appearance of bigotry, but a true bigot would refuse to lessen the severity of his opinion if he met a case that defied his expectations. In my experience gender is also a much more cohesive thing than culture, and people of the same gender do share more similar properties.

So you've never met a female that "defied your expectations"?

Have you ever worked at a place where you expected different quality of work from different departments?
dept. A people do invoices quicker.
dept. B people always answer the phone.
dept. C people are lazy, hedonistic slobs.

But they are each united by a department head that enforces or doesn't enforce the quality of work. There is effectively someone with authority, accountability, and responsibility for the work. And while you can take it out on individual people in that department, it'd be stupid - they are presumably either meeting or not meeting that department's standards.

Something like that is often a benign rationalization, but has serious ramifications for how your department operates. Who you trust on a daily basis is based on a number of illogical common-sense assumptions. Holding similar opinions about women is no less benign, and often an effective heuristic in communication. Remember, I'm not advocating any sort of physical violence against them and I couldn't care less about controlling them.

It isn't a rationalization, it's a generalization. And trusting someone based on them being a member of a group that has nothing to do with trust, no standards or enforcement related to it, is dumb. And WTH is "an effective heuristic in communication"? :crazyeye:

What about the other possibility - why would any rational person assume out of thin air that the average women wasn't operating on pure self-interest vs. the average male? What is the empirical basis for that claim? Could it be that this assumption is what prevents most men from understanding women?

Both genders on average operate on pure self-interest. Individuals of either gender presumably fall everywhere on the spectrum. What's the empirical basis for your claim?

There is nothing wrong with a little bit of unwarranted over-generalization, if you know how to use it. It adds a healthy amount of suspicion in social interaction. It's like liquidity on the stock market.

You're getting more and more incomprehensible...
 
No. Point being?
I suppose his point is that disliking humanity where nobody chose to be human to fits the "it's stupid to blame someone for being part of a group he didn't chose to be part of".
 
Two people in this thread have already stolen my line. :crazyeye:

What kind of duschbag uses a word like "prat"?
One from the right-hand side of the Atlantic, I'd imagine...
 
I suppose his point is that disliking humanity where nobody chose to be human to fits the "it's stupid to blame someone for being part of a group he didn't chose to be part of".

Agreed. I don't know why he seems to think I'm OK with misandry.
 
One from the right-hand side of the Atlantic, I'd imagine...
Without getting into the context for most of the comment, he's from New York City.
 
Agreed. I don't know why he seems to think I'm OK with misandry.
Well, his starting message was about misogyny being look down, but misanthropy being acceptable - and even considered "cool".
 
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