Why shouldn't the US intervene in Syria?

[Borachio]

France, Britain and the US will seek a "strong" UN resolution with "serious consequences" if Syria fails to hand over its chemical weapons, says French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.

But Russia has warned that threatening Syria may "wreck" the peace talks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24105381

"Serious consequences". Ooer.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Yeah, Borachio, not too happy to see that little tidbit on my RSS this morning.

Still, they continue to alter the intelligence results such that I am beginning to think the Russian evidence has the US, UK and France on the ropes.

 

[Defiant47]

I'm just popping in to say we should fix our own problems as a country before we go off trying to fix other peoples' problems.

Why? Are our problems more important? Is it more important that Americans have a decent minimum wage than that Syrian civilians are not gassed in horrible manners?

 

[Traitorfish]

Is it more important to deal with your chronic alcoholism than going through your neighbours bins to find out if he's a Russian spy?

 

[Borachio]

Yeah, Borachio, not too happy to see that little tidbit on my RSS this morning.

Still, they continue to alter the intelligence results such that I am beginning to think the Russian evidence has the US, UK and France on the ropes.

Nah! It's just posturing. On all sides, imo.

Is it more important to deal with your chronic alcoholism than going through your neighbours bins to find out if he's a Russian spy?

It depends. Are you really looking for some overlooked vodka in your neighbour's bin?

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Why? Are our problems more important? Is it more important that Americans have a decent minimum wage than that Syrian civilians are not gassed in horrible manners?

I did not write the post to which you refer, but to me, you are correct. It is BOTH: we should solve our problems, but ASSIST others in solving theirs.

Operative being "assist" and "solve."

 

[DemonicAppleGuY]

We should probably just help those who can/will help us and ensure the destruction of those who cannot/will not.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

We should probably just help those who can/will help us and ensure the destruction of those who cannot/will not.

Tall order, DAG.
But how does it follow that the people we "helped" in Afghanistan killed 3000 people on 9/11, the US then goes to "ensure" their destruction, kills 600,000 people in the process; and now Al Qaeda is franchising like McDonald's?

I would imagine a different strategy may be more productive.

 

[DemonicAppleGuY]

Tall order, DAG.
But how does it follow that the people we "helped" in Afghanistan killed 3000 people on 9/11, the US then goes to "ensure" their destruction, kills 600,000 people in the process; and now Al Qaeda is franchising like McDonald's?

The difference between Al-Qaeda and McDonald's is that McDonald's has seen success while Al-Qaeda has faced nothing but setback after setback despite their "franchising" as some have put it.

I would imagine a different strategy may be more productive.

None has been proven to be more effective thus far in the history of mankind.

 

[Traitorfish]

And bombing people for their own alleged good has "proven to be effective"?

It depends. Are you really looking for some overlooked vodka in your neighbour's bin?

Could there be any surer proof of his true identity!?

 

[red_elk]

It depends. Are you really looking for some overlooked vodka in your neighbour's bin?

No true Russian ever overlook vodka.

 

[Traitorfish]

Exactly- if he's a Russian spy, he will do everything he can to avoid looking Russian, and thus deliberately overlook vodka! And if he does not overlook his vodka, he is a Russian, and therefore presumably a spy! And if there is no vodka, that is because he has hidden the bottles so we won't find out that he's Russian! Trust me, we've thought this through.

 

[DemonicAppleGuY]

And bombing people for their own alleged good has "proven to be effective"?

At times yeah.

It's worked out for us in a positive manner at times anyways.

Japan seems pretty attached to the US despite that the only usage of nuclear weapons in warfare involved the Americans as the users and the Japanese as the targeted.

 

[Traitorfish]

Ah, see, the problem there is that I'm not an outright fudgingg sociopath, so I'm working with different criteria.

 

[DemonicAppleGuY]

Ah, see, the problem there is that I'm not an outright fudgingg sociopath, so I'm working with different criteria.

It's not sociopathy when countries do it. It's politics

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Ah, see, the problem there is that I'm not an outright fudgingg sociopath, so I'm working with different criteria.

It's not sociopathy when countries do it. It's politics

And people are worried about a "violent" revolution?

On topic: we are still talking about Why shouldn't the US intervene in Syria and now it is a moot point -- since the Axis Allies (France, UK, US) are already funneling stuff to the rebels.

Whereas Cuba, and the rest of Latin America and China are calling for dialog.

I rest my case.

 

[Borachio]

No true Russian ever overlook vodka.

Hope springs eternal. When was logic ever a factor in the mind of a dedicated vodka-hunting bin-rummager?

(Also what Traitorfish said.)

 

[DemonicAppleGuY]

Whereas Cuba, and the rest of Latin America and China are calling for dialog.

So...?

 

[Traitorfish]

It's not sociopathy when countries do it. It's politics

I'm quite happy with the proposition that politics is organised sociopathy.

 

[Murky]

As cynical as it sounds the majority of the people who are ambitious enough to seek office are exactly the types we should avoid handing any amount of power over too. It is fairly apparent that many of the people who hold office now do so for their own gains and not to help the people.