that's only the model test unit, is not like you were going to use that anyway
(and that doesn't affect the model, its more of a unit information thing)... To be honest I prefer my skirt, but if you prefer that go on 
I like the hat.
[WIP] Project Civ: A Quality-Oriented Civ Pack
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that's only the model test unit, is not like you were going to use that anyway
(and that doesn't affect the model, its more of a unit information thing)... To be honest I prefer my skirt, but if you prefer that go on I like the hat.
janboruta
Artistriarch
To be honest I prefer my skirt, but if you prefer that go on
I also like your skirt more, but I guess we don't have a vote anymore
Irkalla
ENTP POWWWEEEEEER
that's only the model test unit, is not like you were going to use that anyway
MoveType affects the speed at which they move. Quadruped makes them snap about :v Same way African Forest Elephant is snappy because it's QUADRUPED instead of ELEPHANT.
About the hat and bosses on the cape and shield, I went for copper above bronze. Kinda makes sense considering it is a pre-bronze working unit
I also like your skirt more, but I guess we don't have a vote anymore
I was just trying to make it look like the icon
I think I'm going to try redoing the shield a bit if it's alright with you guys. Gonna try and shave a bit of teamcolour off of them.
Irkalla
ENTP POWWWEEEEEER
Instead of Lugal Kalamma, we could call him Lugal Kissa (?) or King of Kish, to show that he rules a union of Sumer and Akkad. Can't we? The En Kiengi might be unnecessary. So something like "Silim lukurra inaduge! Nga me, Eannatum me: Ensi Lagash ma Lugal Kissa. Inim hhamabe."
I hope I got this right
Krzowwh
King
Instead of Lugal Kalamma, we could call him Lugal Kissa (?) or King of Kish, to show that he rules a union of Sumer and Akkad. Can't we? The En Kiengi might be unnecessary. So something like "Silim lukurra inaduge! Nga me, Eannatum me: Ensi Lagash ma Lugal Kissa. Inim hhamabe."
I hope I got this right
Kiš-ak would probably be pronounced just plain Kiš, but I think Kiš uses -ki rather than -ak idiomatically, so it would become something like Kišši in context. I believe your construction isn't be wrong, but rather unimpressive for a Sumerian title. I based the titles off of that of Enshakushanna, who was considered previous hegemon of Sumer. As the new hegemon, I assumed Eannatum would also adopt the titles, rather than just stating he was king of Kish, considering he conquered all Sumer. "En Kienĝi Lugal Kalamma" is believed to be an earlier equivalent to "Lugal Kienĝi Kiuri" which would be King of Sumer and Akkad, so I thought that would be apt.
Irkalla
ENTP POWWWEEEEEER
King of kish might not sound very impressive, but it was a pretty big deal. It meant that Sumer and Akkad were united into one entity, and that they were under the rule of the bearer of such a title.
In effect, it means "King of Kings; Ruler of Sumer and Akkad; Emperor"
Eannatum wasn't the most grandiose with titles, either. He personally styled himself as "Lugal whom Ningirsu Loves," I believe.
Krzowwh
King
"Ensi Laga, Lugal Kii" would be correct, then. "ma" is unnecessary, as these are used for identity. I understand that this would mean "Hegemon of Sumer" in these times, as Akkad was not yet established, so it is a decent equivalent of Emperor.
To be specific to Eannatum, then he would use a different name in inscriptions depicting combat and war, Ḫumma. So it seems it would be best to equate the title of Ensi to Eannatum and Lugal to Ḫumma, as so:
Ĝa me, Eannatum me Ensika Laga, Ḫumma me Lugalla Kii
ĝa-e me-en, eannatum me-en ensik-am laga-ak, ḫumma me-en lugal-am ki-ki
Which would be the equivalent of "I am indeed I who am Eannatum, he being Ensi of Laga, who am Ḫumma, he being Lugal of Ki".
What do you think?
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
You guys give hope to a Sumerian civ. It seems like language is not really an issue here. I bet Hittite dialogue could be created as well (we know enough of their language). It's when you have civs like the Minoans or Harappans (where the writing is not translated at all) where issues arise.
I don't think More Civs is too worried about languages. I'm not even sure if I want to bother doing Tuscany's lines, and that'd be laughably easy.
Irkalla
ENTP POWWWEEEEEER
What is your interpretation of the meaning of "Eannatum"? I believe the Tum part means worthiness, and E-anna is a temple in Uruk is it not? However, Eanna itself can mean Temple Sanctuary or something, so hell.
EDIT: Piecewise translation of the name is "House, Sky, CVNE or possibly Man, and Suitable or possibly Bring." CVNE is Compound Verb Nominal Element, which I understand as meaning "ness" as in "restlessness," for example. It's basically a thing that lets you turn an adjective into a noun.
From this, I get "Sky-house worthiness," or "Worthy of a Sky-House." Perhaps Sky-House refers to the thing on top of a Ziggurat? Who the hell knows? Perhaps it means "Worthy of a House in the Heavens," or "Worthy of a House With the Gods."
I was thinking something like "Is worthy of a temple sanctuary." That is, to say "The bearer of this name is a living god." As he had a divine lineage and was an early adopter of this, this seems to be a sobriquet of sorts. Perhaps it was his regnal name, and his birth name was perhaps the "tidnu" name "Lumma." Lu-mah, perhaps? (It would be funny if the Great Fatted Bull was about him, given that everyone else practically worshipped the man.)
I recognize that the symbols for Lu and Mah spell out Lugal, but hey. They also can spell out "Bull-man" or something. I'd like to see the exact signs used for the tidnu name.
EDIT: Oh bloody hell it's in Monumental. At least it's easier to read. Reading the Eannatum Boulder, btw, not the Stele of Vultures.
There's a certain portion of of the boulder that reads:
- At that time, Eanatum,
- Eanatum being his own name
- while his Tidnu name is Lumma,
- for Ningirsu a new canal he dug,
- and 'Good Like Lumma' he named it.
This passage is notable because it contains 2 instances of Eannatum in close proximity and 2 instances of Lumma in close proximity. One need not know Sumerian to be able to spot the Lumma.
Just for reference, Eannatum's name looks like this in Monumental:
EDIT: Seems as if Lumma has some connotation of Boats, Water, and a man. My best guess is "Boatman," or "Ferryman." Sounds like a birth name to me! In Sumerian literature and storytelling, the fisherman and the shepherd were always the good men of the story.
Moreover, I interpret "Eanatum being his own name, while his Tidnu name is Lumma..." to mean that he gave himself the name Eannatum, that he took it as his regnal name. I think it was to drive home the "fact" that he was a living god.
janboruta
Artistriarch
Dammit Irkalla, release it already.
Seconded. Voice can be added when we actually can mod it in, but there's no point waiting months to release a finished product for something which might not even work
Irkalla
ENTP POWWWEEEEEER
I'm actually finding a lot of external interest in a project that has been dead for quite some time. ProjectShoot. Class-based FPS framework that I was working on for some time, but had to abandon because of a lack of talented interest.
If it does come back to life, I'll try not to let it get in the way of fulfilling the expectations of this community.
I think I'm actually ready to finalize this and get a test going. IVE GOT ALL I NEED.
Link to video.
WTH I thought you guys were going nuts over Rome II, what happened?
you monster
If it does come back to life, I'll try not to let it get in the way of fulfilling the expectations of this community.
I think I'm actually ready to finalize this and get a test going. IVE GOT ALL I NEED.
Link to video.
WTH I thought you guys were going nuts over Rome II, what happened?
you monster
Already played 7 hours so far, I'm not completely abandoning the forums yet
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Ah, that's the beauty of mods
But for developers, civs are Minoan and Harappan are impossible (unless they use a form of Greek (the Minoan language seems to be non-Indo European) and a Dravidian language for Harappan (no definite clues to the Indus Valley language affinity, some even claim its Indo-European)
turingmachine
Emperor
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Ah, that's the beauty of mods
But for developers, civs are Minoan and Harappan are impossible (unless they use a form of Greek (the Minoan language seems to be non-Indo European) and a Dravidian language for Harappan (no definite clues to the Indus Valley language affinity, some even claim its Indo-European)
Didn't stop them from including the Huns, when we have next to no info concerning the Hunnic language.
Irkalla
ENTP POWWWEEEEEER
still working on this. A power outage yesterday set me back quite a bit. As regular of an occurrence as power outages are, I didn't manage to save once before the outage.
Hunnic language was most likely some sort of Jargon formed of a hodgepodge of various constituent languages. They weren't exactly a nation as much as they were a loose confederation, if I understand it correctly. Their language would probably reflect this.
Hunnic language was most likely some sort of Jargon formed of a hodgepodge of various constituent languages. They weren't exactly a nation as much as they were a loose confederation, if I understand it correctly. Their language would probably reflect this.
InsanelyApple
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Then can you save me from Europa Universalis 4?
