wise vs smart

[Dachs]

What the hell does "having a head on your shoulder" has anything to do with wisdom? Again, another example of those who are stupid hiding behind the cover of wisdom to pretend that they have worth.

I agree. Wisdom and intelligence are impossible to separate for anybody who "wants to succeed and who is not a quitter".

 

[Narz]

Right, and as said before, using the term in that sense is just an excuse for stupid people to think they have worth. I mean, street wisdom? You're confusing what people consider "common sense" (which is a rather trivial thing, which anyone can obtain easily) with wisdom there. You're completely devaluing any sense of the word "wisdom."

This thread is evidence that people who think wisdom is useless & intelligence is everything usually lack both.

I'm surprised you'd show your face back here after getting utterly taken apart.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

In the same vein there's the quote from Full Metal Jacket - admittedly fiction, but I think it echoes reality: 'Believe it or not, but under fire, Animal Mother can be a wonderful human being. All he needs is somebody throwing hand grenades at him for the rest of his life': Animal Mother later, through his leadership skills when his section commander is killed, saves his section from being killed by a sniper.

No he didn't, he insubordinately and angrily charged into a square where two of his comrades were already shot by a sniper he couldn't see, forcing the rest of his unit to chase after him and save him, which resulted in yet another of his squad getting killed. That he rose to the occasion after his squad leader got shot doesn't change the fact that what he did was incredibly stupid and entirely unwarranted, to say nothing of insubordinate.

 

[Monsterzuma]

smart is more exciting; more life-affirming.

 

[Earthling]

No he didn't, he insubordinately and angrily charged into a square where two of his comrades were already shot by a sniper he couldn't see, forcing the rest of his unit to chase after him and save him, which resulted in yet another of his squad getting killed. That he rose to the occasion after his squad leader got shot doesn't change the fact that what he did was incredibly stupid and entirely unwarranted, to say nothing of insubordinate.

Yes and the actions of Tenn Graneet prove once and for all that wisdom is an inferior choice.

 

[Skwink]

I'd rather be a poor homeless wise-man than a rich genius.

 

[Perfection]

I'd rather be a poor homeless wise-man than a rich genius.

Why?

 

[Boundless]

Why?

Yeah I second that...why? :/

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Easy answer, everyone has different goals, and most don't fit into what we wish for ourselves.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Sometimes I think that wisdom comes from things that you can only learn by making mistakes.

 

[Narz]

I'm not so sure. To me part of the definition of wisdom is being able to avoid having to make certain mistakes (sometimes because you made them before but ideally because you're able to learn from the mistakes of others or simply from common sense).

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

That seems like the best definition I've seen here yet.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Yes and the actions of Tenn Graneet prove once and for all that wisdom is an inferior choice.

Why?

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[jojorah]

Summary, the people who are wise chose wisdom, and the people who are smart chose intelligience. Now that i think about it this debate is kinda stupid

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

I don't recall making a choice.

 

[Narz]

Summary, the people who are wise chose wisdom, and the people who are smart chose intelligience. Now that i think about it this debate is kinda stupid

The people who value wisdom chose wisdom (though they may not believe themselves already wise). The people who believe they are smart chose intelligence.

One of the main differences is that everyone knows wisdom is an acquired skill whereas people who think they already possess the #1 virtue in life (intelligence) have little reason to develop others & tend to make faulty assumptions about intelligent people (as evidenced in this thread). They believe by patting themselves on the head for being smart they stand higher than others (have "more worth") but actually they're furthering their own disconnect from reality (remember, the Dunning–Kruger effect affects the intelligent as much, if not more so, than the not so bright).

It's sort of an adult version of the effect Carol Dweck discovered in children.

http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/

http://borntoexplore.org/praise.htm

 

[Hygro]

Summary, the people who are wise chose wisdom, and the people who are smart chose intelligience. Now that i think about it this debate is kinda stupid

I don't know why I really like this post, but I really like this post.

 

[Bill3000]

Summary, the people who are wise chose wisdom, and the people who are smart chose intelligience. Now that i think about it this debate is kinda stupid

This is incorrect for the reasons that I have noted above. Or perhaps more obviously, the forum is not filled with wise people as it is primarily composed of young, inexperienced people. Your statement is thus better modified to "people who are not smart chose wisdom, people who are smart chose intelligence," which if true brings it in line with my earlier hypothesis that non-wise stupid people value wisdom as an excuse to pretend they have worth, perhaps by fooling themselves that they have wisdom.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Phronesis.

 

[Narz]

Nice word Cheezy. I like to think I'm acquiring it, painfully slowly but hopefully surely.