World Wonder Elimination Thread

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I don't really understand why a lot of people dislike Petra I honestly thought it would be a contender to win at the start of this thread. Anyways..

Alhambra - 23
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 4 (7-3) At this point you'll be generating lots of GW and GA points for it to matter.
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 23
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 21 (20+1) Build in a city with 6-7 bonus resources and see the gold flow in. I wish all wonders had build requirements as strict as this to stop 1 civ having 80% of the wonders. The one bad thing about it is that the AI builds it now post R&F.
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Petra - 2
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 20
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 17
Venetian Arsenal - 5
 
Alhambra - 23
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 25 (24+1) The $ math is very clear in my mind. If this is not ranked higher than Oracle or Temple of Artemis & maybe a few others (as they currently are).. what that kind of money can buy you (specially at a critical time like Industrial/Economics, btw) for any Victory types is far beyond whichever X Trade routes outputs you've managed to pull in.
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 23
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Petra – 0 (2-3) ELIMINATED! Situational for sure and certainly depends on a lucky Map-Seed.. but only worth the effort when enough desert tiles stack (at least +4/5 ?) a hefty bunch of extra resources -- for the long term.
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 20
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 5 (Sadly.. i won't be trying to defend that one anymore. Hopeless drop pace by now!)
 
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Alhambra - 23
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 25
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 23 - 3 =20 I 'm gonna downvote out of hearsay and it can be unfair , but if the third ring appeal bug is real Eiffel got hardly nerfed in my book
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 21 +1 -= 22 I'll give one more vote to this wonder for the same reason as before.
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 20
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 5
 
Alhambra - 23
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 25
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 20
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 22
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 22 (25 - 3) Great Admirals are not very useful IMO and I value Campuses > Commercial Hubs > Theater Squares over Industrial Zones. (apart from Germany)
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21 (20 + 1) Great for Scientific victories.
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 5
 
Alhambra - 20 (23 - 3) I think the policy slot wonders are generally a bit overrated, and this is the weakest of them due to the relatively high supply of military slots. Remember, this isn't giving you the best military policy you're running- you'd have that anyway. It's giving you the last one you choose to add.
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 25
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 21 (20 + 1) This is a massive boost to culture victory games, allowing you to place national parks and seaside resorts in places where you otherwise couldn't, and boosting those you already could.
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 22
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 22
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 5
 
Alhambra - 17 (20 - 3). Now why is this so high still? I'm normally going the Republic path, and still I never feel the dire need for another military policy slot. These hills will do much better with the mine on them! :D
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 25
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 21
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 22
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 22
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 6 (5 + 1). Has its downsides, but when done right it's much better than some of those that still have 20+ points. Oh and I DO want to point out that no ship upgrades to Privateer, so one of the popular arguments against this wonder is not quite valid :D
 
Alhambra - 17
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 25
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22=21+1, The strength of Eiffel Tower is doubled since public transportation gold is doubled in the newest patch.
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 19=22-3, I see no point of this being any match up to Eiffel Tower.
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 22
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 6
 
Alhambra - 17
Big Ben - 26 (25+1) The amount of gold this thing can net is insane. Sort of obsoletes Ruhr in the Science Victory - buy all of the spaceports and builders to rush the projects.
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 19
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 4
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19 (22-3) Once again GAs have little impact on the outcome of games and until IZs are buffed, this one is only good for Freddy.
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 21
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 6
 
Alhambra - 17
Big Ben - 26
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 27
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe - 19
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 1 (4-3) just doesn't seem worth the cost, maybe in rare cases for faith bonus. But I would rather just go capture some iron than build a wonder
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22 (21 + 1) the tundra Petra effects are nice especially with ubsuniur hollow or Russia. But this really shines for its modified relic tourism output. Easily can generate 20k tourism over a game by itself, even if it is the less valuable religious type.
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 6
 
Alhambra - 17
Big Ben - 26
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28 (27+1) --- Another vote for the colosseum. This time for its financial benefits: You can sell all your luxury resources to the highest bidders because it provides +2 amenities to all cities within 6 tiles. That can be a staggering amount of gold in the early game.
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe – 16 (19-3) --- The problem here is I will usually have to leave the non-productive cattle resources in place rather than chop them. And it’s not all that much gold anyway relative to the cost.
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 1
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 6
 
Alhambra - 18 (17+1) It should not be falling so fast, especially when the Potala Palace has more points.
Big Ben - 26
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 1
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 18 (21-3) This should not have more points than Alhambra, I do not care much about diplomatic policies and I find them the most useless.
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 6
 
Alhambra - 18
Apadana - 13 Re-added
Big Ben - 26
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Jebel Barkal - 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Only useful if there's no iron in your continent, which is unlikely
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 18
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 6 + 1 = 7 All arguments against this don't mention that no ship upgrades to the Privateer
 
@Kimiimaro

Well.. simply resetting the most recent true state of that list then!

Alhambra - 18
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 26
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 18
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 7

EDIT; Ooooppppsss.. coincidental post(s)! Repaired!!
 
Alhambra - 18-3=15 - I consider the military policy to be the weakest policy card. The other bonuses aren't very remarkable. And it wants me to build an encampment. I hardly ever build an encampment.
Apadana - 13
Big Ben - 26
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 18
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 7+1=8 - Agreed. Privateers can't be prebuild. Also, this can easily grant you double fleets and armadas (you'd have to join two/three prebuilt ships to create a fleet/armada). And it works for your entire empire.
 
Hey just for kicks.. grouping their status in two seperate tables.

MORE than 20...
Big Ben - 26
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24

LESS than 20...
Alhambra - 18
Apadana - 13
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Potala Palace - 18
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 7

Kinda puts them all in a weird perspective.
:)
 
MORE than 20...
Big Ben - 27 (26+1) I have had some luck with this, gaining lots of gold.
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24

LESS than 20...
Alhambra - 18
Apadana - 10 (13-3) I have never built this because it sounds weak.
Bolshoi Theatre - 4
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Potala Palace - 18
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 7
 
I don't think that we should keep them separated by more than or less than 20. The normal list is better.
 
Alhambra - 15 +1 = 16 I'm a sucker for more policy cards
Apadana - 10
Big Ben - 27
Bolshoi Theatre - 4 - 3 = 1 not very impressive , target locked
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 18
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 8
 
Alhambra - 16
Apadana - 10
Big Ben - 27
Bolshoi Theatre - 1-3 ELIMINATED How is this worth 1450 hammers?
Casa de Contratación - 24
Colosseum – 28
Cristo Redentor - 22
Eiffel Tower - 22
Forbidden City - 32
Great Zimbabwe – 16
Hagia Sophia - 12
Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 19
Oracle - 25
Oxford University - 23
Potala Palace - 18
Pyramids - 33
Ruhr Valley - 21
St. Basils Cathedral - 22
Temple of Artemis - 24
Terracotta Army - 18
Venetian Arsenal - 8+1 Way better than Terracotta.
 
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