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World Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by HoorayForSiam, May 16, 2018.

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  1. kingofsealand

    kingofsealand Warlord

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre - 11
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City – 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 19
    Hagia Sophia - 15
    Huey Teocalli - 5 (4+1) Petra and St Basils are both still higher scored, yet neither provides empire wide buffs, at least basils can give lots of tourism Petra doesn't do anything but buff one city. This also gives amenities to sweeten the Empire wide tile buff. I agree the tech placement is poor and the AI competes for it, sometimes in their only lake tile annoyingly. I guess I am incredibly lucky with lakes in my games, I've never found trouble placing it.
    Jebel Barkal - 6
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 27
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 11
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24 (27-3) the bonuses seem awesome but in the rare occasions I've had good circumstances to build this the AI beats me to it. The housing and food are nice but it only accelerates the rate at which you'll hit your growth cap.
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 9

    Also readded st. Basils which had dropped off last post
     
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  2. sadsquid

    sadsquid Warlord

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre - 8 (11-3) Bit of a jack of all trades, master of none situation. A bunch of small, unspectacular effects. And Great writers are kinda ubiquitous anyway.
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City – 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 19
    Hagia Sophia - 15
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 6
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 27
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 12 (11+1) Really can transform a city. Sure it's only one city, but it can turn it into a fantastic one. Deserves to stay longer, better than quite a few others still here.
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 9
     
  3. Timothy001

    Timothy001 Prince

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre - 8
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City – 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 19
    Hagia Sophia - 15
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 3 (6-3): Rarely build, not very useful.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 27
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 12
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 10 (9+1): Love the double unit.
     
  4. MrRadar

    MrRadar Emperor

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre - 8
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23 (22+1) It can bring significant economic/tourism boost. Suddenly you can build much more seaside resorts and the older ones become more valuable, besides building a farm in a nice place and replacing it with neighbourhood with the Public Transport card can bring some nice side income as well. And also, if you had no suitable place for national parks, ET will open a few opportunities.
    Forbidden City – 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 19
    Hagia Sophia - 15
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 3
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 27
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 12
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 7 (10-3) As long as all your necessary fleet is built in the ancient/classical times and then only upgraded, this wonder has not very much sense, although its effects are very powerful and fun to use on a water map a couple of times. But then I get tired to move all that swarm of ships around. Even on continents map it is more than enough to have only a moderate fleet.
     
  5. OxydoReduction

    OxydoReduction Chieftain

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    France
    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre - 8
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 27 (30-3) I don't find it very useful, activities are gained easily from other sources.
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City – 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20 (19+1) It's just so satisfying to find the perfect spot for this wonder and to redirect all trade routes from there.
    Hagia Sophia - 15
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 3
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 27
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 12
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 7
     
  6. Boyan_Sun

    Boyan_Sun Warlord

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre - 9 (8+1) 2 free civics! I like gambling! So make an attempt to save it ( this wonder is one crucial part of the fastest science victory )
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 15
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 3
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 27
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 9 (12-3) It is so good in Civ5, but it doesn't help in most games of Civ6, only waste productions.
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 7
     
  7. Trav'ling Canuck

    Trav'ling Canuck Deity

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12 (15 - 3) The best way to religious victory is through winning religious combat, not spreads, making its benefits fairly modest.
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 4 (3 + 1) going to try to keep this alive a little longer. Only a bit more than half the price of Hagia and it provides +4 Faith to all cities within 6 tiles, not just one city, making it better if religious victory is your objective. And it has a second use, if you need a source of Iron for war.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 27
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 9
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 7
     
  8. The Highwayman

    The Highwayman Prince

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    Dallas, TX
    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 23
    Bolshoi Theatre
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 28 (27+1) I can build 1 Entertainment district with an Arena and this Wonder or build 7 Entertainment districts with Arenas and get less culture, no loyalty, use a district slot in each city, and lose a wonder tile that boosts Theater Square adjacency. Decisions.
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24 (27-3) An extra GE charge is great for Germany...or the version of Civ where IZs are actually worthwhile to build. You can purchase GEs easier with the new GP rules, but that's situational. GAs aren't any good in SP. I liked this wonder when it launched, but it's riding a little too high right now.
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 9
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 7
     
  9. Xandinho

    Xandinho Deity

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 15
    Big Ben - 24 (23+1) Economic policies are better than military policies, so Big Ben must have more points than Alhambra.
    Bolshoi Theatre 6 (9-3) It's not a bad wonder, but it can not compete with the remaining.
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 28
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 9
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 7
     
  10. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 12 = 15 - 3. Don't think it's worth the hammers.
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 6
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 28
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 10 = 9 + 1. Not sure why this is so low and St. Basil's is so high. Both turn bad terrain into good terrain and make a super city.
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 7
     
  11. Amrunril

    Amrunril Emperor

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 12
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 6
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 25 (28 - 3) This is definitely a strong wonder, but I don't think it should be ahead of Artemis. Artemis is likely to give more amenities, and it's far easier to build, requiring only a tile improvement, while the Colosseum requires a district. Getting some extra culture and a bit of loyalty that you often won't need isn't enough to compensate for these downsides.
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 10
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 20
    Venetian Arsenal - 8 (7 + 1) Doubling your unit production in any field of combat is a huge advantage. If facing serious opposition, a player building more units will beat one building fewer (or only upgrading old ones). If not facing serious competition, more units still means substantially wider/faster conquest. To those saying its unnecessary with naval production policies, the two stack, and 4x is better than 2x.
     
  12. Rosty K

    Rosty K King

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 12
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 6
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum - 25
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra - 11 = 10 + 1. To add to the previous vote, it also comes much earlier, giving a much earlier super city.
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17 (20 - 3). You have it, or you don't - makes no difference. At least for the more peaceful of us.
    Venetian Arsenal - 8
     
  13. BarbarianHunter

    BarbarianHunter King

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 12
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 6
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 26 (25+1) --- As stated by previous poster, I’m going to build one entertainment district and the Colosseum as opposed to 7 entertainment districts plus a theatre district (or two).
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 5
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra – 8 (11-3) --- Risk vs. reward not in players favor. A failure leaves you with a complete rubbish city.
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17
    Venetian Arsenal - 8

    EDIT: I must apologize, as my theatre square analogy for the colloseum is somewhat off the mark. Theatre Squares offer no loyalty bonus and get better over time as they build 2nd and 3rd tier buildings, plus attract great people. I'd like to amend it to 14 monuments (and, of course, the original 7 entertainment districts). Entertainment districts also improve over time, but you'll have to wait quite some time...
     
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  14. liv

    liv Emperor

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 12
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 6
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 27 (+1. So many amenities is hard to pass up. Must build)
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 2 (-3) (On a tech not researched and dependent on lakes)
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra – 8
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17
    Venetian Arsenal - 8
     
  15. OneMoreTurnPerTile

    OneMoreTurnPerTile Chieftain

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 12
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 6+1=7. Yes, this is expensive, late and GMs are not super valuable...but it gives two free civics. That's better than a lot of the wonders left here,
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 2
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 23-3= 20. Why is this one so highly rated? The bonus it gives is minimal, unless you have suzerian over a bunch of CS, unlikely due to AI aggression, and have a wide empire where the accumulation of bonuses will add up.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra – 8
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17
    Venetian Arsenal - 8
     
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  16. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 12+1=13 - I love to build wonders, so this is good wonder for me to build :p
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 7
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 2
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 20-3=17 - While beautiful, I have to agree with the poster above.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra – 8
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 32
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17
    Venetian Arsenal - 8
     
  17. Siddorm

    Siddorm Chieftain

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 13
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 7
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 2
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22
    Petra – 5 (8-3) same reason i gave yesterday
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 33 (32+1) same reason i gave yesterday
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17
    Venetian Arsenal - 8
     
  18. Maquis

    Maquis King

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 13
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 7
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Huey Teocalli - 2 - 3 =0 (Just don't see enough lake tiles to make it worth it)
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 22 +1 = 23 (The science boost is great!)
    Petra – 5
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 33
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17
    Venetian Arsenal - 8
     
  19. ChocolateShake

    ChocolateShake Prince

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 13
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 7
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24 + 1 = 25. I can see some shenanigans going on with this wonder if you're able to include it as part of an engineer great person strategy. Could unlock a ton of wonders for you potentially. Though I haven't built it yet...
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 23
    Petra – 5
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 33
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17
    Venetian Arsenal - 8 - 3 = 5. I want to like this wonder, but coastal wonders are already kind of tough to place, and you probably have to build an industrial zone especially for it too. It can be great situationally, but otherwise like was mentioned, it doesn't really help with any particular victory type unless you want to mass battleships.
     
  20. Eliminator_Sr

    Eliminator_Sr Prince

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    Alhambra - 23
    Apadana - 13
    Big Ben - 24
    Bolshoi Theatre - 7
    Casa de Contratación - 24
    Colosseum – 27
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 32
    Great Zimbabwe - 20
    Hagia Sophia - 12
    Jebel Barkal - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 17
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
    Oracle - 25
    Oxford University - 23
    Petra – 5 - 3 = 2 (Worst of what's left except maybe Ruhr. I almost never build it and it only impacts one city which is not a massive boost compared to other wonders. At least Basils gives you tourism. This wonder does provide good return in rare circumstances but just not often enough to keep it on the board - I guess it does if you play Nubia all the time)
    Potala Palace - 21
    Pyramids - 33
    Ruhr Valley - 20
    St. Basils Cathedral - 21
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 17 + 1 = 18 (I usually build a large army and it's pretty fun promoting all your troops right before going on the rampage or keeping them on the backburner for healing - definitely impactful when timed well)
    Venetian Arsenal - 5
     
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