World Wonder Elimination Thread

[WillowBrook]

NOTE: the Great Zimbabwe inexplicably lost a point about 5 hours ago with MorningCalm's post, so the last upvote should take it to 21.

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8 (11-3) The only time I tried to build it, I was beat to it. And I already had a culture victory in the bag anyway.
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8 (7+1) I've found this useful in some longer games I've played. Not a top wonder, but shouldn't be one of the next few to go.
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21 CORRECTED
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 11
Hermitage - 8
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 2
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 20
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 26

 

[HoorayForSiam]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 11
Hermitage - 8
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - ELIMINATED (2-3) Underwhelming compared to some others on the list.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 20
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 27 (26+1) Free naval units? Yes, please!

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

Note: Correcting Petra - I think it should be at 13 (see post 115)

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 11
Hermitage - 8
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24 + 1 = 25 (One of my favorite wonders. It's not the best but it opens up a lot of interesting strategies and it's always fun ramping up production on a large scale. You can also pretty much own the seas by doubling up the ironclad and armada admirals)
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 20
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15 - 3 = 12 (Mostly pointless after R&F)
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 27

 

[Macedong]

Very sad to see great library and ascott research go.

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 11
Hermitage - 8
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 20
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 13 (12+1): not the best, but I think this wonder is still top-tier; attainable because AI does not beeline this thing and can still help out with a SV after R&F or just make a powerhouse industrial city in general
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24 (27-3): need to hate on this mid-low tier wonder; by the time this wonder comes around, you have already prebuilt galleys/quads to upgrade. Building naval units is too expensive after these; the VA does nothing for soldiers

 

[Leathaface]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 11
Hermitage - 8
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14 (17 - 3) The faith doesn't do much for me, plus it has to be built on a Desert hills tile, which I don't have most of the time.
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 20
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14 (13 + 1) Still very good for Scientific victories. Sure, you can buy a Spaceport, but that costs an awful lot of money, money which could be spent on upgrading your armies. Plus you have to spend 3 Governor points to get that ability.
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[eleven11]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 11
Hermitage - 5 (8-3) - If the hammer cost was reduced 40% then maybe this may be worth it. Even with an Industrial Zone, a city is hard-pressed to build this without an incredible commitment of time (or Engineers). An exception is if this somehow lasts into late industrial/Modern with improved production techs/tiles.
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 21 (20+1) - This needs to be higher. GPs are good. GPs are great. It's about as early game as you can get.
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[MrRadar]

Restoring Temple of Artemis, last sighting in post #114. Please double check what you cut out, we're losing wonders left and right

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8 (11-3) I can hardly believe this one is hanging on for so long. A very early cog sink which gives a rather negligible boost.
Hermitage - 5
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 26 (25+1) lots of extra worker charges over the game, a very nice wonder, if you happen on a desert.
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26 (added back)
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[Wyvern_Parade]

Great Library isn't good, but with the changes in R&F it isn't THAT bad guys... should have outlasted quite a few still on here.

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 20
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Hermitage - 2 (5-3) Too many hammers for what it provides. There are plenty of other more useful wonders for cultural victories.
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 18
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 27 (26+1) Builder charges are good.
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[BenitoChavez]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21 = 20 + 1. Extremely powerful for cultural victories.
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Hermitage - 2
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 15 = 18 - 3. A wonder for relic slots and the martyr promotion seems like a waste
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 27
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[BarbarianHunter]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus – 13 (16-3) --- In an Island Plates game, perhaps. Otherwise, 400 production? Let me think, should I build the Colosseum or the Colossus? To make matters worse, I have to build a harbor first for the privilege to construct it! Ugh.
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City – 30 (29+1) --- Always useful, usually attainable.
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Hermitage - 2
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 15
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 13
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 27
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[Amrunril]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City – 30
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Hermitage - 2
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 12 (15 - 3) Martyr is only an effective strategy if your opponent lets it be one. It's too easy to just let apostles do their thing and convert your cities back with inquisitors. Even if your opponent does foolishly cooperate (which you can admittedly count on in with the AI under most circumstances), the benefits are still delayed while you actually buy and move your apostles, and the yields once you finally do get relics are fairly modest unless you win the competitions for several additional bonuses.
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14 (13 + 1) This is a situational wonder, but unlike many other situational wonders, its bonuses are absolutely massive, often enabling you to construct the strongest city in the game.
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 27
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[God of Kings]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City – 30
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Hermitage - 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED There are better cultural wonders than this (and cost fewer production than this white elephant)
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 12
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 27
Ruhr Valley - 14 + 1 = 15 Must build for scientific victory (and the AI doesn't prioritize this wonder)
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 14 (17 - 3) Another "vanity" Wonder, useful primarily for seeing how big you can make your cities. An extra population everywhere without an extra amenity is a rather blunt instrument compared to the benefits most Wonders provide.
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City – 30
Great Lighthouse - 15 (14 + 1) Inexpensive, can be placed on a relatively useless water tile to give adjacency bonus to a theatre square or two, and provides a little gold for a kicker. It's a pretty good Wonder even without it's main benefit of +1 naval movement, which is actually really useful as speed is king on the high seas, though the AI's navies are rarely up for a serious fight.
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 12
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 27
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 17
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 26
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City – 30
Great Lighthouse - 14
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Hermitage - 2
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 12-3=9 - I just don't see it worthy enough to build it in most games.
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 27+1=28 - Great wonder. Saves you much production/money from building more builders.
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 24

 

[liv]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 14
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 27 (+1) Great wonder for warmongers with so much amenities. It is virtually overpowered if placed well)
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City – 30
Great Lighthouse - 15
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 8
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 9
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 28
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 21 (-3) All the boats I need is built in ancient time with the 100% card.

(I fixed the errors with the previous post)

 

[The Highwayman]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 14
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 28 (27+1) My favorite Wonder needs to begin to pull away. Better than Artemis, as no early game sacrifices are required. The build constraints are 100% within player control.
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 8
Forbidden City – 30
Great Lighthouse - 15
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 5 (8-3) Useful if you conquer a city with it. However it really can't be built on Deity reliably, as I've seen it go before Stonehenge. Even if you manage to build the HG by allocating 100% of your resources towards it, you just set yourself back big time. Build the Pyramids instead. Build the Oracle instead. Do smart things like expand and conquer instead.
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 9
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 28
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 21

 

[Xandinho]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 14
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 28
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 5 (8-3) Too late + too expensive = unviable
Forbidden City – 31 (30 + 1) Flexible for any kind of victory. This is a wonder "always try to build"
Great Lighthouse - 15
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 5
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 9
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 28
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 22
Venetian Arsenal – 21

 

[ChocolateShake]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 14
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 28
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 5
Forbidden City – 31
Great Lighthouse - 15
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 5
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 9
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 29 (28 + 1) - Combining the Pyramids with Liang is always fun! I always go for this wonder when I can. You get a builder as cash back and of course the extra charge is nice. You can keep your 1-charge builders online until you build it to give them more stuff to do. Used to be much stronger but it's still good.
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 19 (22 - 3) - I haven't really felt the need to build this wonder, granted I don't usually go for domination, it seems situationally strong but overall I think it needs a stronger theme. Artifacts seem too unreliable to depend on as part of a strategy.
Venetian Arsenal – 21

EDIT: Fixed to include @Xandinho's post

 

[Zyxpsilon]

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Moderator Action: You may only vote one wonder up and one Wonder down

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Alhambra - 23
Angkor Wat – 14
Apadana - 20
Big Ben - 24
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 8
Casa de Contratación - 22
Colosseum - 28
Colossus – 13
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 21
Estadio do Maracaña - 5
Forbidden City – 31
Great Lighthouse - 15
Great Zimbabwe - 21
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 5
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 14
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 25
Mont St. Michel - 9-3=6 Like seriously, when is this wonder remotely useful? Never built this, there are so many better wonders for cultural victory
Oracle - 21
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 21
Pyramids - 29
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral – 22
Temple of Artemis - 26
Terracotta Army - 19
Venetian Arsenal – 21+1=22 Having a blast with this wonder + Brazil's unique battleship, ended up winning an unplanned domination game