World Wonder Elimination Thread

[Eliminator_Sr]

Yeah I'm also a little surprised at some of the wonders already eliminated. Stonehenge and Great Library are both pretty good IMO.

Alhambra - 20 + 1 = 21 (Underrated wonder that provides more benefit than just the extra military policy and generally not too difficult to build even on high difficulty)
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 13
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 22
Estadio do Maracaña - 14
Forbidden City - 27
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 11
Mahabodhi Temple - 7
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 17 - 3 = 14 (I think the idea is rank wonders based on their impact not how aesthetically pleasing or satisfying it is to convert bad dirt into decent tiles - this wonder is maybe useful in 1 game out of 10 and even then it's still limited to a single city, plus the AI goes for it all the time so it's not easy to build)
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 16
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 8
Taj Mahal - 9
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 22

 

[Bosque]

I was going to uprate the Mausoleum, and noticed that it had disappeared back on post 73, so I added it back in.

Alhambra - 21
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 13
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 22
Estadio do Maracaña - 14
Forbidden City - 27
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 8 (11 - 3) Warrior Monks are pretty useless. (Someone tell me if you have found a real use for them.)
Mahabodhi Temple - 7
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24 (23 + 1) The extra charge for Great Engineers is amazing. The extra charge for Great Admirals is also useful, since you can get the benefits of retiring, and still have the admiral for increased strength and movement.
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 16
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 8
Taj Mahal - 9
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 22

 

[Jarms48]

Alhambra - 21
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 13
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 22
Estadio do Maracaña - 14
Forbidden City - 27
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5 (8 - 3) I personally see warrior monks as worse swordsmen, so whilst an additional 20% faith in a city is nice, it cannot carry this wonder on it's own.
Mahabodhi Temple - 7
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 17 (16 + 1) Just a great wonder, in my last game where I built this I was finishing nuclear devices in 2 turns, and all other projects in 1 turn.
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 8
Taj Mahal - 9
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 22

 

[Pietato]

The problem with the Taj Mahal is that while it can be very powerful, it can also give you a lot of overflow, therefore making your next golden age harder to get.

Alhambra - 21
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 13
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 22
Estadio do Maracaña - 15 - Actually gives the largest culture and amenity boost in the game, by a mile for large empires. Pity it comes so late.
Forbidden City - 27
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 7
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14 - Still not worth the production and pain of positioning.
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 8
Taj Mahal - 9
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 22

 

[Timothy001]

Alhambra - 21
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10=13-3. Way too situational. Comes too late
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 22
Estadio do Maracaña - 15
Forbidden City - 27
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 7
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 8
Taj Mahal - 9
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23=22+1. Love the double navy. Even more important since last patch.

 

[KAL_MAD]

Alhambra - 21
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 22
Estadio do Maracaña - 15
Forbidden City - 28 (27 + 1) +1 wild card policy is very good. This wonder = a civ ability (Greece). And it comes somewhat early. This and Big Ben are the only wonders I always try to have. Sometimes I'd quite the game if I don't get it
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 7
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 5 (8 - 3) It comes so so late and costs a ton of production, and not that impactful
Taj Mahal - 9
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

 

[Karmah]

Alhambra - 21 +1 =22 it's a good wonder , that I confess building for fun mainly. I'm just so in love with more policies. Upping this one because I think it's gonna need more help raising than the superb forbidden city.
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 22
Estadio do Maracaña - 15
Forbidden City - 28
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 7 -3 = 4 , in civ and in real life , religion does not really interrest me beyond bringig a bit of diversity.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 5
Taj Mahal - 9
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

 

[Macedong]

I'm also shocked the great library went! Its halfway decent.

Alhambra - 21
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23 = 22 + 1, a must have for cultural victories, and a must have for Australia
Estadio do Maracaña - 15
Forbidden City - 28
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 7
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 5
Taj Mahal - 6 = 9 - 3, this one is really really bad; will likely change your era for the better in one era out of 15
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

 

[Kimiimaro]

Karmah's votes were skipped.

 

[PrairieDad]

Casa de Contra_ta_ción, por favor!

 

[Amrunril]

Alhambra - 22 Fixed
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña - 15
Forbidden City - 28
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 19 (18 + 1) If build appropriately, this will net you +8 or +10 gold per trade route. That's almost certainly better than the bonus you would have gotten from any of the policy slot wonders.
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 4 Fixed
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 2 (5 - 3) At its best, this will net you a couple of great works (after a non-trivial delay), already an incredibly underwhelming reward for an end game wonder. More likely though, you were going to earn or not earn the last Great Musicians with or without it (the same problem as Taj Mahal). And unlike any of the other wonders, this one comes with a very real risk that the rewards will be gone by the time you finish building it.
Taj Mahal - 6
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

 

[The Highwayman]

Alhambra - 22
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña - 12 (15-3) Much like the Sydney Opera House, the Estadio de Neverbuildo comes too late to impact the game.
Forbidden City - 29 (28+1) Love the versatility and the feeling my empire just got more powerful upon completion. The fact it can be built late BC/early AD means it comes early enough for long lasting impact. Can be built on Deity no sweat. Another top 5 IMO.
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 19
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 4
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 20
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 2
Taj Mahal - 6
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

 

[Stomper66]

Alhambra - 22
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña - 12 .
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 4
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 21 (20+1) If you have Reliquaries belief this wonder is great for faith / culture victories. Very appropriate to build as France if you have a marsh tile on a river .
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 14
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 5
Taj Mahal - 3 (6-3) Golden ages are too easy to get so unless they increase age standards this wonder is irrelevant.
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

 

[Leathaface]

Alhambra - 22
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña - 9 (12 - 3) Comes much too late.
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 18
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 4
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 21
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15 (14 + 1) Very good for Scientific Victories. (the only type of victory I can get on Immortal so far)
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 5
Taj Mahal - 3
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

@MrRadar I agree with your comment about the Great Library, people do not seem to know it was buffed for R&F.

 

[Xandinho]

Alhambra - 22
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña - 9
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 19 Fixed
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 4 - 3 = 1 This must to fall before Taj Mahal.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 21
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 2 Fixed
Taj Mahal - 3 + 1 = 4 I can to give one more life to it. This is better than Mahabodhi Temple.
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

Edit: Now I noticed that Amrunril's votes were Skipped. I corrected that.

 

[BarbarianHunter]

Alhambra - 22
Amundsen-Scott Research Station – 7 (10-3) --- By the time you can orchestrate the right variables to create it, who needs it?
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña – 10 (9+1) --- If you permawar throughout the whole game, and have a wide empire, it doesn’t actually come late (as you have appropriated more than a few Theatre Squares, etc…). You will also probably have at least some degree of need for more amenities, if not a critical need.
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 19
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - 1
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 21
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 2
Taj Mahal - 4
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 23

 

[ArallanKing]

Alhambra - 22
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 10
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña - 9
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 19 Fixed
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - (ELIMINATED) Not as great as it is in the reality.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 21
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 2 Fixed
Taj Mahal - 4
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 26 (23+3) Jongs made in Venetian Arsenal are pretty lit.

 

[BarbarianHunter]

Due to simultaneous postings my vote was not tallied. Totals should read:

Estadio do Maracanã 10
Amundsen-Scott Research Station 7

 

[ArallanKing]

Due to simultaneous postings my vote was not tallied. Totals should read:

Estadio do Maracanã 10
Amundsen-Scott Research Station 7

Alhambra - 22
Amundsen-Scott Research Station - 7
Angkor Wat - 20
Apadana - 23
Big Ben - 23
Bolshoi Theatre - 17
Broadway - 20
Casa de Contración - 21
Colosseum - 25
Colossus - 16
Cristo Redentor - 21
Eiffel Tower - 23
Estadio do Maracaña - 10
Forbidden City - 29
Great Lighthouse - 17
Great Zimbabwe - 19 Fixed
Hagia Sophia - 17
Hanging Gardens - 14
Hermitage - 14
Huey Teocalli - 22
Jebel Barkal - 17
Kilwa Kisiwani - 22
Kotoku-in - 5
Mahabodhi Temple - (ELIMINATED) Not as great as it is in the reality.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 24
Mont St. Michel - 21
Oracle - 18
Oxford University - 21
Petra - 14
Potala Palace - 20
Pyramids - 25
Ruhr Valley - 15
St. Basil’s Cathedral - 20
Sydney Opera House - 2 Fixed
Taj Mahal - 4
Temple of Artemis - 25
Terracotta Army - 21
Venetian Arsenal - 26 (23+3) Jongs made in Venetian Arsenal are pretty lit.

-CORRECTED-

 

[magha77]

Reading these makes me wonder if making the late game wonders much more overpowered could change how boring the late game can get. This way the AI could try to build a particular wonder to counteract the runaway human player.

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