WTC Mosque Part Four!!!

Dude, if the mosque is NOT built, fanatics will use that as a propaganda tool as well. It doesn't matter what you guys do, the U.S. is the "great satan" - obviously being incapable of doing any good, from the point of view of the fanatics.

You can't use that as a justification to not build the mosque.

You are simply pointing out what I have been saying for 4 threads now. What other muslims outside the USA think its immaterial....so, the ones planning the mosque should be cognizant of their immediate non-muslim neighbors and reconsider building this thing in the interest of keeping the peace.
 
Oh Snap! So why did you mention it, Mob?
 
Yeah, if it doesn't matter what they think, why did you just bring them up?

MobBoss: "They could use this as propaganda against us!". If it doesn't matter, why did you just say that?

Your're the one that says it doesnt matter, and I was arguing that from your point there.

I still think it matters, in that giving them a rallying cry or 'victory mosque' meme to use more powerful than the same ol 'USA hates muslims' thing they already rant about.

While I agree that they will use whatever happens to their own ends either way, I do think the 'victory mosque' thing far more damaging in its application.

You are free to your own opinion, however.
 
Your're the one that says it doesnt matter, and I was arguing that from your point there.

That was kinda oddly worded from you

MobBoss said:
You are simply pointing out what I have been saying for 4 threads now. What other muslims outside the USA think its immaterial.

From my point of view? "I have been saying this for 4 threads" ? What? Anyway, ignoring all the confusion and moving on:

I still think it matters, in that giving them a rallying cry or 'victory mosque' meme to use more powerful than the same ol 'USA hates muslims' thing they already rant about.

Why? Got an example of them doing something similar elsewhere?

Did they, for example, do this with the Pentagon mosque, when that was constructed? I'm assuming that they did, since you seem to think this could be so damaging and such an effective weapon for them.
 
I don't think the 'victory mosque' would be as good propoganda as 'Great Satan of the Imperialist West denies Muslims the right to worship'. The 'victory mosque' will not cause widespread joy because most muslims denounce terrorism. Not being allowed to worship is far more likely to get quite a few annoyed.
I mean, Muslims are already worshiping there.
 
I love The Onion

SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.

Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.

"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"

"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."

"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.

When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."

Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.

"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."

"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."

Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.

"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."

Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."
 
Did they, for example, do this with the Pentagon mosque, when that was constructed? I'm assuming that they did, since you seem to think this could be so damaging and such an effective weapon for them.

Well, since so much has been made of this *Pentagon Mosque* lets factcheck it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/08/no-pentagon-mosque/

The truth is that there is no "mosque" in the Pentagon, according to Army spokesman George Wright. There is a chapel inside the Pentagon where Muslim employees can go to pray, as ABC News recently reported. It’s just not exclusive to followers of Islam.

The Pentagon’s non-denominational chapel was built and dedicated in 2002 in honor of Pentagon employees and passengers of American Airlines Flight 77 who died in the terrorist attack on the building on Sept. 11, 2001. The chapel was constructed at the site where the hijacked plane crashed into the Pentagon nearly nine years ago.

Oops, thats gotta sting. :mischief: I guess there is no 'Pentagon Mosque'.

So, do I need to answer your question further or do you now consider it answered? :D

Allegation < research = profit.
 
Wait, so putting a Muslim prayer room in a building doesn't turn the whole building into a mosque now :confused:

Eran, its been described itself by the planners as a mosque...not simply a 'prayer room'.....

So, why are you even arguing something that the planners dont even say? Seriously?

Its a mosque. Stop playing the semantics game and just admit it since the planners do as well.
 
We certainly can't allow any "victory churches" to be built near Olympic Park in Atlanta, in downtown Oklahoma City, or within at least a mile of any abortion clinic bombing or murder of its employees.
 
We certainly can't allow any "victory churches" to be built near Olympic Park in Atlanta, in downtown Oklahoma City, or within at least a mile of any abortion clinic bombing or murder of its employees.

Hey, if you think you can get a majority opinion behind you on that, go for it.

Still I dont get the 'Oklahoma City' reference since McVeigh was an atheist by that time, but /oh well....
 
Eran, its been described itself by the planners as a mosque...not simply a 'prayer room'.....

So, why are you even arguing something that the planners dont even say? Seriously?

Its a mosque. Stop playing the semantics game and just admit it since the planners do as well.

They keep referring to it as a community center, which includes a mosque, is the thing. You are the one who has said that it can't be considered as anything other than a mosque.
 
Eran, its been described itself by the planners as a mosque...not simply a 'prayer room'.....
It is also a separate entity from the community center. Does placing a Catholic church inside a Hospital make it a Catholic hospital?

So, why are you even arguing something that the planners dont even say? Seriously?
For me at least, and I'm assuming the rest of us, we aren't saying there won't be a mosque in it. It's just the building won't just be a mosque.
Its a mosque. Stop playing the semantics game and just admit it since the planners do as well.
So the entire building, open to the public with numerous other functions besides having a mosque in it has to be a mosque?
 
Jeez, who cares if it's a mosque or a community center with a mosque in it or a prayer room or whatever. They still have the right to build it there, and that's all that matters.
 
There will always be those who claim that public sentiment, no matter how absurd, trumps constitutional rights.
 
Smells like double standards!
 
Isn't there's a Mosque that's already 2 blocks from the World Trade Center that's been there since the 1970s? Should that Mosque move too?
 
It's actualy 4 blocks, but with these people, who is counting?

Formaldehyde said:
There will always be those who claim that public sentiment, no matter how absurd, trumps constitutional rights.
Aren't these the same people who during the Health Care Reform debate were going on and on about how the constitution exists to protect the rights of the minority from the will of the majority?
I can say this about conservative nutters, they are becoming adapt at convincing us Oceania isn't at war with Eastasia, but rather Eurasia, and that it always has been that way.
 
Back
Top Bottom