Askthepizzaguy
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Two things I saw recently:
North Carolina, gay marriage amendment:
Saudi Arabia, rights of women:
Time and time again, the religious folks who believe in not the natural world, but a supernatural one, will lecture society on what is or is not "natural".
They do not seem to have the slightest clue what "natural" means.
On the rights of women in Saudi Arabia: It is not natural that women are inferior. They must be carefully cultivated, trained, punished, restrained, shamed, humiliated, and kept uneducated, for them to have even the slightest chance of being inferior. For when women are in their natural state, which is having the same rules and cultural norms as men, they excel at many things, often outclassing their male counterparts. I'd also bristle at the notion that keeping someone enslaved and humiliated makes them inferior, or a lesser person. Rather, it makes their male captors inferior to them, and less humane than their female counterparts who, fortunately for the males, are still somehow capable of loving them, even though the men shame and punish them for even the slightest act of being female, or showing their female form, which I find as baffling as I find repugnant.
The natural state of being female is that they're inherently superior to men. Society would run just fine with 10 women for every one man. It would not be as healthy with 10 men for every one woman. It's just a fact that women are biologically superior to men in terms of health of a species; you can get by with fewer men than you can with fewer women. More women are born than men are. The natural state of the natural world is that, for many species, the female is dominant. Let's not forget that many, many species are matriarchal.
That's the NATURAL world, both in the animal kingdom and in the human race. A woman is no less than a man. But in the supernatural world of fantasy, a woman is less than a man, and must be kept so by artificial means such as cultural taboos, laws targeting women, shaming them into submission, and threatening them with violence and no legal recourse.
That sounds unnatural to me. So I believe you've got that whole "nature" thing backwards.
Moving on to gay rights.
Homosexuality has been observed in nature, and is commonplace among countless species who mate for pleasure, companionship, or for social hierarchy reasons.
A person is born how they are born, and persons who are homosexual have been proven by actual scientists to respond naturally to images of members of their own gender in a sexual way, and not as much for opposite gender images. Since that's part of their brain chemistry and involuntary responses to attraction, that is proof that a person is naturally homosexual.
When society pressures them to conform to heterosexuality, they attempt to comply, but sometimes even bullying, threatening, violence, and campaigns of hatred are not enough to overcome natural biological responses. The unnatural state of affairs, which is forcing heterosexuality upon everyone, is naturally rejected by a human being who is responding to his or her own natural desires. It is not a "choice of lifestyle".
I, as a heterosexual man, do not wake up one day and casually decide to engage in homosexuality. It's not a choice for me either. I respond to what I naturally prefer, which are certain members of the opposite sex. I choose which of them I ask out on a date, but that is the extent of my choice in the matter.
A person goes to great lengths to deny nature. A person will say that plants were created by magic, before there was even sunlight to feed them energy. A person will say that the earth was covered by a great flood, and all the species on the planet were trapped together on a boat, and yet after this event, they returned to their home continents in such a way that defies logic, as if they were capable of crossing mountains, oceans, and sheets of ice, and deserts after the flood, but ended up looking like they were stranded on a single island or continent for millions of years. A person will say that human beings are immoral because a talking snake who wanted to possess their living spirit convinced a woman to eat from a tree whose apples gave her knowledge, and she was commanded not to eat those apples by an omniscient superbeing who created that tree for no other purpose but to tempt her into eating those apples, apples which that being also knew that she was going to eat, since that being knows everything. The punishment for eating those apples was pain and death inflicted upon her and her children for all time, and the punishment for the talking snake was to slither on the ground, which of course, a snake already does.
A person will say that because of this fable, women are the property of men.
A person will continue, and say that because of the events of some of the next chapters of this fable, you are not supposed to shave your beard, eat shellfish, pig meat, or have certain kinds of sex. Also, you need to take a sharp rock at cut off parts of an infant's genitals. A person will go further, and ignore the beard-cutting, shellfish-banning, pigphobic, genital-cutting parts, and even ignore much of the parts about sex, but focus on the one part which discusses homosexuality being sinful and wrong.
A person will say it is not natural for a man to love a man. A person will then go ahead and say that it is perfectly natural to cut off parts of an infant's genitals, to appease an ancient pact with an invisible, silent god. But, certain kinds of sodomy are okay, as long as it's being done with your lawfully wedded wife. Or, your girlfriend, pre-marriage. But a man kissing another man is an abomination, and is unnatural compared to those other things.
It's a fact that a woman's natural state is not an inferior one to men, and it's also a fact that gay people are naturally so. It's also a fact that what interferes with their rights, privileges, and happiness in this world are people with a really warped view of what "natural" means, who inflict upon them unfair laws which prohibit them from being themselves, having normal sexual relationships, marrying who they want to marry, or inflicting upon them cultural norms which don't allow them to come out in public unless they are either completely covered or completely closeted. They will then go further, and beat them senseless, throw them in jail, or murder them for being what they naturally are. This is considered natural, but women being women, or gay people being gay, that is unnatural.
I already have a low opinion of what religion does to society, but finally get your definitions straight. Nature is not what you declare it to be; nature is what it is, and it is naturally the way it is, without cultural norms, laws, customs, or taboos. What you consider natural is actually artificial, it's not natural, but supernatural, and not real, but imaginary. What you consider unnatural, sinful, and wrong, is perfectly normal and healthy human behavior, which harms nobody. What you do to correct what you perceive to be unnatural, is sinful, wrong, abnormal, hateful, vile, and repulsive to human dignity.
You can be against the normalization of the rights of gay people, and you can be for the subjugation and suppression of women, but please do not insult the intelligence of others by saying that what you're arguing for is natural, and what other people want is unnatural. And finally, inflict your shame only onto yourself, let others live happily without bullying them into living life your way, which is absolutely, and in no uncertain terms, an unnatural lifestyle that must be taught, must be chosen, and must recruit others in order to continue to exist. That thing that you accuse gay people of doing? That's you.
It's called "projecting". Your guilt onto others.
North Carolina, gay marriage amendment:
Saudi Arabia, rights of women:
Time and time again, the religious folks who believe in not the natural world, but a supernatural one, will lecture society on what is or is not "natural".
They do not seem to have the slightest clue what "natural" means.
On the rights of women in Saudi Arabia: It is not natural that women are inferior. They must be carefully cultivated, trained, punished, restrained, shamed, humiliated, and kept uneducated, for them to have even the slightest chance of being inferior. For when women are in their natural state, which is having the same rules and cultural norms as men, they excel at many things, often outclassing their male counterparts. I'd also bristle at the notion that keeping someone enslaved and humiliated makes them inferior, or a lesser person. Rather, it makes their male captors inferior to them, and less humane than their female counterparts who, fortunately for the males, are still somehow capable of loving them, even though the men shame and punish them for even the slightest act of being female, or showing their female form, which I find as baffling as I find repugnant.
The natural state of being female is that they're inherently superior to men. Society would run just fine with 10 women for every one man. It would not be as healthy with 10 men for every one woman. It's just a fact that women are biologically superior to men in terms of health of a species; you can get by with fewer men than you can with fewer women. More women are born than men are. The natural state of the natural world is that, for many species, the female is dominant. Let's not forget that many, many species are matriarchal.
That's the NATURAL world, both in the animal kingdom and in the human race. A woman is no less than a man. But in the supernatural world of fantasy, a woman is less than a man, and must be kept so by artificial means such as cultural taboos, laws targeting women, shaming them into submission, and threatening them with violence and no legal recourse.
That sounds unnatural to me. So I believe you've got that whole "nature" thing backwards.
Moving on to gay rights.
Homosexuality has been observed in nature, and is commonplace among countless species who mate for pleasure, companionship, or for social hierarchy reasons.
A person is born how they are born, and persons who are homosexual have been proven by actual scientists to respond naturally to images of members of their own gender in a sexual way, and not as much for opposite gender images. Since that's part of their brain chemistry and involuntary responses to attraction, that is proof that a person is naturally homosexual.
When society pressures them to conform to heterosexuality, they attempt to comply, but sometimes even bullying, threatening, violence, and campaigns of hatred are not enough to overcome natural biological responses. The unnatural state of affairs, which is forcing heterosexuality upon everyone, is naturally rejected by a human being who is responding to his or her own natural desires. It is not a "choice of lifestyle".
I, as a heterosexual man, do not wake up one day and casually decide to engage in homosexuality. It's not a choice for me either. I respond to what I naturally prefer, which are certain members of the opposite sex. I choose which of them I ask out on a date, but that is the extent of my choice in the matter.
A person goes to great lengths to deny nature. A person will say that plants were created by magic, before there was even sunlight to feed them energy. A person will say that the earth was covered by a great flood, and all the species on the planet were trapped together on a boat, and yet after this event, they returned to their home continents in such a way that defies logic, as if they were capable of crossing mountains, oceans, and sheets of ice, and deserts after the flood, but ended up looking like they were stranded on a single island or continent for millions of years. A person will say that human beings are immoral because a talking snake who wanted to possess their living spirit convinced a woman to eat from a tree whose apples gave her knowledge, and she was commanded not to eat those apples by an omniscient superbeing who created that tree for no other purpose but to tempt her into eating those apples, apples which that being also knew that she was going to eat, since that being knows everything. The punishment for eating those apples was pain and death inflicted upon her and her children for all time, and the punishment for the talking snake was to slither on the ground, which of course, a snake already does.
A person will say that because of this fable, women are the property of men.
A person will continue, and say that because of the events of some of the next chapters of this fable, you are not supposed to shave your beard, eat shellfish, pig meat, or have certain kinds of sex. Also, you need to take a sharp rock at cut off parts of an infant's genitals. A person will go further, and ignore the beard-cutting, shellfish-banning, pigphobic, genital-cutting parts, and even ignore much of the parts about sex, but focus on the one part which discusses homosexuality being sinful and wrong.
A person will say it is not natural for a man to love a man. A person will then go ahead and say that it is perfectly natural to cut off parts of an infant's genitals, to appease an ancient pact with an invisible, silent god. But, certain kinds of sodomy are okay, as long as it's being done with your lawfully wedded wife. Or, your girlfriend, pre-marriage. But a man kissing another man is an abomination, and is unnatural compared to those other things.
It's a fact that a woman's natural state is not an inferior one to men, and it's also a fact that gay people are naturally so. It's also a fact that what interferes with their rights, privileges, and happiness in this world are people with a really warped view of what "natural" means, who inflict upon them unfair laws which prohibit them from being themselves, having normal sexual relationships, marrying who they want to marry, or inflicting upon them cultural norms which don't allow them to come out in public unless they are either completely covered or completely closeted. They will then go further, and beat them senseless, throw them in jail, or murder them for being what they naturally are. This is considered natural, but women being women, or gay people being gay, that is unnatural.
I already have a low opinion of what religion does to society, but finally get your definitions straight. Nature is not what you declare it to be; nature is what it is, and it is naturally the way it is, without cultural norms, laws, customs, or taboos. What you consider natural is actually artificial, it's not natural, but supernatural, and not real, but imaginary. What you consider unnatural, sinful, and wrong, is perfectly normal and healthy human behavior, which harms nobody. What you do to correct what you perceive to be unnatural, is sinful, wrong, abnormal, hateful, vile, and repulsive to human dignity.
You can be against the normalization of the rights of gay people, and you can be for the subjugation and suppression of women, but please do not insult the intelligence of others by saying that what you're arguing for is natural, and what other people want is unnatural. And finally, inflict your shame only onto yourself, let others live happily without bullying them into living life your way, which is absolutely, and in no uncertain terms, an unnatural lifestyle that must be taught, must be chosen, and must recruit others in order to continue to exist. That thing that you accuse gay people of doing? That's you.
It's called "projecting". Your guilt onto others.
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