2018 U.S election

How significant is it that apparently 25% of Hispanic registered voters in the US have already cast early ballots?
Well ironically that sentiment is precisely what underlies the "There is no alternative" idea that inno was talking about. The idea being that if voters are given what they want (as opposed to what the "experts" and technocrats tell them they should want) ruin inevitably results.
That is if you make them choose between PT and Bolsonaro or between Merkel and AfD or Hillary Clinton and Trump, or between Putin and Putin (or New ‘Labour’ and the Conservatives… you get the point), which are choices made by the ruling political groupings; however, we have a largely uneducated electorate across most of the globe and a variety of systems designed to distance the broad electorate from decision-making.
Note that I don't disagree with what you say. Have you read what I posted about sociocracy, or had you been banned by then?
 
How significant is it that apparently 25% of Hispanic registered voters in the US have already cast early ballots?

Unclear. It's not clear whether this represents an expansion of turnout of people are just voting earlier. I refuse to be optimistic about any of it until the end of the week because as I've said before I consider it a strong possibility that Trump will declare the election results cannot be certified because of Chinese hacking and illegal alien votes. I believe that this is more likely the better the Democrats do.
 
I think 25% of everybody have already cast their ballots. I seem to recall seeing earlier today that over half the expected turnout has already voted.
 
Unclear. It's not clear whether this represents an expansion of turnout of people are just voting earlier. I refuse to be optimistic about any of it until the end of the week because as I've said before I consider it a strong possibility that Trump will declare the election results cannot be certified because of Chinese hacking and illegal alien votes. I believe that this is more likely the better the Democrats do.

Man, you have taken my most pessimistic concept deeply to heart. If he's gonna do that, then he is. That's when it will have to be dealt with. No amount of advance fretting will make it any easier, so just relax and see how it goes.
 
Man, you have taken my most pessimistic concept deeply to heart. If he's gonna do that, then he is. That's when it will have to be dealt with. No amount of advance fretting will make it any easier, so just relax and see how it goes.

I arrived at that concept independently of you. The idea occurred to me the first time I saw Pence make an announcement about Chinese election hacking. I think it probably occurred to you at around the same time.

I'm not exactly 'fretting' about it but I'm again not going to be optimistic. 2016 taught me not to be optimistic even if we leave the Trump-abrogating-democracy possibility out of the picture.
 
OK, I've been ranting about control over the Supreme Court but apparently 2 out of the 5 conservative judges have decided not to vote on the/a Net Neutrality lawsuit so the liberals won 4-3… is this ominous or is sleep-deprived Tak reading too much into it?
 
I arrived at that concept independently of you. The idea occurred to me the first time I saw Pence make an announcement about Chinese election hacking. I think it probably occurred to you at around the same time.

I'm not exactly 'fretting' about it but I'm again not going to be optimistic. 2016 taught me not to be optimistic even if we leave the Trump-abrogating-democracy possibility out of the picture.

There is zero chance he'd do that. Even for the fun of turning the foreign influence thing on its authors.
The real problem is that he does not have an effective opposition. I've been waiting to see what the result of that supreme court fight will be on this election.
 
There is zero chance he'd do that. Even for the fun of turning the foreign influence thing on its authors.
The real problem is that he does not have an effective opposition. I've been waiting to see what the result of that supreme court fight will be on this election.

Nobody is surprised that the only lens through which you are viewing this is how men being victimized by sexual assault accusations will affect it.
 
Note that I don't disagree with what you say. Have you read what I posted about sociocracy, or had you been banned by then?

I think I was probably banned by then though I was still lurking the forum. I think I've heard the term "sociocracy" before but not sure what it means - hit me.
 
If no one gets more than 50% in Geoegia's gubernatorial race then there will be a run off on December 4th. There is a libertarian running as a third party candidate and the margins are razor thin so there is a good chance there will be a run off in a month.

That should give Kemp all the time he needs to begin bringing election fraud charges against his opponents and shredding any ballots he deems (sus).
 
I voted this morning.

My precinct's polling place is a local elementary school, as is reasonably common across this part of the Commonwealth of Virginia. In this school district, students do not attend classes on Monday or Tuesday of this week, because the first marking period ended last week and the first two days are set aside as teacher workdays - for PD, grading, student/teacher(/parent) conferences, etc.

Social media has been abuzz with the slightly silly statistic that Republicans have better turnout on rainy election days. I've seen a few different explanations advanced for it - Republicans were the party out of presidential power under Obama so they were more motivated to come vote, rain only affects uncompetitive elections, rain only affects low-motivation voters which in this cycle are clearly not the Democrats, etc. Some of these explanations don't really work with each other. Whatever. I can report anecdotally that my precinct, which voted 60% for the incumbent Republican Representative in 2016 (although it went for Clinton by a similar margin and has voted Democrat in all other elections since), did not have a significant Republican presence when I showed up there to vote today. The designated signage area was festooned with signs for the Democratic candidates for Senator and Representative, but only one sign for the incumbent Republican Representative and none at all for the Republican challenger for Senate. There was a Democratic volunteer under an awning braving the rain with sample ballots, but no Republican volunteer. The Dem was a cheerful gentleman despite the rain; he had had the early shift, and was getting ready to leave to be replaced by the next volunteer in line. Several minutes later, when I left the polling place, I saw him taking a picture of the awning with his phone, to share on social media.

I know that in 2016 people got clowned on social media for saying that X party was going to win Y vote because of the signs. That's not really what I'm saying here. People have been talking about an enthusiasm gap, but pretty much every polling measure clearly shows that Republicans are on the wrong side of the gap now - and that makes sense, because this is a midterm election during a fairly unpopular Republican administration. Other statistics also don't look good for Republicans, like fundraising (outraised two to one nationally, although there are some questions about how effectively Democrats are spending that money) and, obviously, the polls themselves. What I'm mostly saying here is that I found low-value anecdotal evidence to confirm my priors generated by what I already know about the election. I am sure that, at other precincts in the district, the Republicans will make a better showing. (They could hardly do worse.)

I'm also saying that it's kind of funny how quickly this district has turned on the incumbent Republican, who won a fairly convincing victory in 2016 despite her district pulling hard for Clinton. The incumbent positioned herself as a moderate Republican and has been attempting to advertise that. But she's voted with the administration on most major measures, including the tax cut bill that actually raised many high-income tax rates in her district. In addition, this is a district close to DC, with a lot of federal workers whose pay has been negatively affected by the government's freeze. I suppose her balancing act failed. She got too much of the administration's stink on her, and the name at the top of the ballot - the Republican candidate for Senate - is such an execrable, vile, and unpopular thug that he may be dragging her down as well.

Feel free to throw these comments back in my face if she beats her polls, by the way. Seems unlikely - I usually avoid making predictions unless they are relatively sure bets - but I suppose anything is theoretically possible. If anything, the Senate vote looks to be even more lopsided.

The lines weren't bad. I showed up after the first big rush. There were lines around 0550 shortly before the polls opened, but they emptied reasonably quickly after people got to work. I went to the school gym, showed my ID, was provided with a paper ballot, filled it out, submitted it to the electronic tabulator, and was out the door within seven minutes.

I expect turnout will still be lower than 2016, because it is a midterm election. Turnout is significantly up so far in early voting across most of the country compared to the last midterm, in 2014, but that was such a poorly-attended vote that it doesn't make for a particularly flattering comparison.
 
Politico says 36 million voted early, up from 27 million in 2014. I don't know how early voting correlates with final voter turnout, but I still find that encouraging.
 
Politico says 36 million voted early, up from 27 million in 2014. I don't know how early voting correlates with final voter turnout, but I still find that encouraging.

The evidence suggests that early voting mostly just ends up cannibalizing election day votes. That isn't to say early voting doesn't mean anything - Jon Ralston in Nevada does a fantastic job of forecasting election results based off the partisan split in early votes cast.

But his forecast, like any good forecast, spells out in detail how even good early numbers in favor of one side can still lead to a loss, if election day and/or independent ballots break heavily the other way.

Florida's early voting results in 2016 showed a huge lead for Hillary, but it turned out that was merely a function of her voters showing up to vote early, and they got swamped on election day.
 
The evidence suggests that early voting mostly just ends up cannibalizing election day votes. That isn't to say early voting doesn't mean anything - Jon Ralston in Nevada does a fantastic job of forecasting election results based off the partisan split in early votes cast.

But his forecast, like any good forecast, spells out in detail how even good early numbers in favor of one side can still lead to a loss, if election day and/or independent ballots break heavily the other way.

Florida's early voting results in 2016 showed a huge lead for Hillary, but it turned out that was merely a function of her voters showing up to vote early, and they got swamped on election day.
Echoing this. Also check out Steve Schale on the Florida elex.
 
I didn't read to see whether those early votes have been tabulated yet, but I guess now I'm not sure what I should hoping for.
 
Someone on NPR just said that the early voting total includes a lot of people who didn't vote in 2014. I'm not sure how they know that, though (as opposed to people who regularly vote on the day choosing to vote early this time). Maybe most people tend to vote at the same time, when they do vote? I also wonder if early votes includes people living in other countries, in the services, etc., or if those are counted separately.
 
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