2020 US Election (Part One)

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You mean they tend to stick by their candidate or abandon them? I agree with the latter. And it doesn't help that the leadership knows this and will exploit it for their own gain to look tough and play to the base. That's effectively what happened with Fraken - he had been promised an investigation and as we know now, the worst of the allegations were fabricated by a radio personality to gain ratings for her failing station and signal boosted by the GOP. But Schumer caved under pressure from Gillibrand and a few others (but most especially Gillibrand) who saw it as an opportunity to look tough on sexual harrassment and gain some appeal to future primary voters; and I'm sure Schumer only saw upsides to going that route as well as it also made him look tough. They never gave him the investigation that was promised and railroaded him out unceremoniously.

All of this is not to say that Dems shouldn't have a strong moral compass, just that it gets exploited at times and can lead to situations where the perfect is made the mortal enemy of the good and backfires.
 
You mean they tend to stick by their candidate or abandon them?

The former. Think about that 1998 op-ed by Gloria Steinem saying that even if all the allegations against Bill Clinton were true feminists should still support him.

I mean, crap, even the Bernie faithful are making comparisons to Jesus and acting like this heart surgery thing has made him stronger.

the reality is definitely more like this:
 
I like to think that the increased support for Clinton post-impeachment was due to everyone seeing what a massive overreach and pathetic partisan gamemanship that whole thing was rather than some sort of moral crusading. And I think some of Bernies supporters are pretty circle-jerky about him in general, particularly the vocal ones that make statements like the one you just posted.

Not to change the subject, but Fresh Air did a show with a couple of investigative journalists who followed up on the Franken scandal and it was extremely interesting and highlighted some serious issues with the Democratic leadership and the party's tendency to crusade on crap based on optics more than actual morals. Not that Fraken gets a complete pass - he's a toucher in the same vein as Biden - but he's not a sexual harrasser/assaulter and his accuser is a scumbag of the worst sort. Her AM conservative talk radio station was failing and the journalists found emails that showed the Fraken attack was a carefully calculated hit piece dreamed up by her and the station managers to drum up ratings and they did everything they could (including breaking series journalistic ethics codes) to push the story to prop up the station. And further in Franken's defense, he actually did reform his touchy ways on a dime when confronted about it by his own staff when he ran for Senate.

The Democratic leadership were more than happy to bow to Gillibrand's pressure to can him just to look good, and she did it with an eye toward this election.
 
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Sommer, Gabbard is in a cult and her campaign is a vehicle to aggrandize the cult. I actually support Biden and Bootyjudge over her.
One area where you and I differ, is that I am much more forgiving than you when it comes to hawkishness, oil-grabbing, Israel-sucking-up and general warmongering, even selective warmongering/hawkishness (like Gabbard). I lean towards placing the bulk of the blame for the Middle East conflicts at the foot of us (as in the American consumer) rather than the politicians themselves.

I'm also aware that Gabbard is rabidly anti-Muslim, which I frown upon, but frankly, I recognize that Islamophobia is as American as apple pie historically, she just gets more flak for it. Hell, Trump got the political recognition that propelled him into the Presidency by peddling the inherently Islamophobic birtherism. So while I can't just give it a pass, I do allow for some context... for example Hindus and Muslims have a lot of baggage between them.

Anyway, the bottom line is that Gabbard was originally my #3 behind Warren and Harris, but since then I've evolved a lot in my preferences, in large part as a result of the arguments and articles, etc., posted by you (and a few others). My positive attitude about Gabbard began entirely with her impassioned support of Bernie during the 2016 cycle and during her speech at the DNC. She seemed like the fresh face that was perfect to carry Bernie's message/movement forward. As I've said, at this stage its almost pointless to parse between the folks polling under 5 or even 10%.
 
One area where you and I differ, is that I am much more forgiving than you when it comes to hawkishness, oil-grabbing, Israel-sucking-up and general warmongering, even selective warmongering/hawkishness (like Gabbard). I lean towards placing the bulk of the blame for the Middle East conflicts at the foot of us (as in the American consumer) rather than the politicians themselves.

I'm also aware that Gabbard is rabidly anti-Muslim, which I frown upon, but frankly, I recognize that Islamophobia is as American as apple pie historically, she just gets more flak for it. Hell, Trump got the political recognition that propelled him into the Presidency by peddling the inherently Islamophobic birtherism. So while I can't just give it a pass, I do allow for some context... for example Hindus and Muslims have a lot of baggage between them.

Anyway, the bottom line is that Gabbard was originally my #3 behind Warren and Harris, but since then I've evolved a lot in my preferences, in large part as a result of the arguments and articles, etc., posted by you (and a few others). My positive attitude about Gabbard began entirely with her impassioned support of Bernie during the 2016 cycle and during her speech at the DNC. She seemed like the fresh face that was perfect to carry Bernie's message/movement forward. As I've said, at this stage its almost pointless to parse between the folks polling under 5 or even 10%.

Nah man I mean literally she's in a cult. Read this:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-campaign.html
and tell me there is some other explanation
 
Interesting, why do you think so?
So bear with me on this... Biden's supporters fall into a few categories but I am focused on just two with this issue. One of those categories are people who are focused on perceived electability because their main, or only priority is beating Trump. Those voters are going to be the easiest to rally around whoever is the perceived frontrunner, because again, winning is their only real goal... policies, social issues, the candidate's race/gender/religion, etc., don't matter as much, they just want to win. So as Warren becomes the frontrunner, those folks will start to gravitate from Biden, towards her.

The second category I'm looking at, are the folks who want someone familiar, someone they've heard of, someone who they feel like they know. It doesn't even matter what the candidate's policies are, they just want to have someone they feel like they can trust in a general sense, precisely because they know who they are and what they are about. The shorthand is "name recognition". These voters aren't attracted to the shiny-new candidate. They aren't looking for the next big thing. They want someone who they have been seeing all the time for a long time. Biden offers that comfort, that name recognition. So does Bernie. In 2016, Bernie was the shiny-new candidate that nobody had heard of. But now he is comfort food, because people are so familiar with him due to the 2016 sensation that he was. So now people abandoning Biden, but still wanting that comfort food literally have no choice but Bernie. All the rest of the candidates are people they've never heard of.
 
Or they just don't vote.
 
So bear with me on this... Biden's supporters fall into a few categories but I am focused on just two with this issue. One of those categories are people who are focused on perceived electability because their main, or only priority is beating Trump. Those voters are going to be the easiest to rally around whoever is the perceived frontrunner, because again, winning is their only real goal... policies, social issues, the candidate's race/gender/religion, etc., don't matter as much, they just want to win. So as Warren becomes the frontrunner, those folks will start to gravitate from Biden, towards her.

Yeah this I understood fine, I was interested in your explanation for the second part:

The second category I'm looking at, are the folks who want someone familiar, someone they've heard of, someone who they feel like they know. It doesn't even matter what the candidate's policies are, they just want to have someone they feel like they can trust in a general sense, precisely because they know who they are and what they are about. The shorthand is "name recognition". These voters aren't attracted to the shiny-new candidate. They aren't looking for the next big thing. They want someone who they have been seeing all the time for a long time. Biden offers that comfort, that name recognition. So does Bernie. In 2016, Bernie was the shiny-new candidate that nobody had heard of. But now he is comfort food, because people are so familiar with him due to the 2016 sensation that he was. So now people abandoning Biden, but still wanting that comfort food literally have no choice but Bernie. All the rest of the candidates are people they've never heard of.

I thought it might be something like this, but wanted to hear it from you. Seems valid to me.
 
I completely agree with this theory. He's had name recognition, familiarity and Obama's coattails giving him a big boost but if he stumbles, I think that'll be it for him. The debates haven't gone very well for him and he's perpetually one gaffe away from having to work serious damage control so I just don't think he's going to be the nominee. My money's still on Warren.

It will be interesting to see if the Ukraine scandal will drag him down or if Dem primary voters will approach the issue like Trump voters - that they'll stand by him not in spite of the scandal but because of it. It's still not clear if he did anything wrong (and leaning heavily toward nothing illegal) but it's not a good look for him to have and it plays into one of Trump's few non-racist attack strategies - to go after corruption and to drain the swamp (I'm aware of the irony there too). But Democratic voters tend to have a conscious in matters like these and are more than happy to jump ship on a candidate over perceived (if not real) misdeeds so I expect this scandal to drag him down over the next month. Between that and any future debate missteps or public gaffes, I think it's just a matter of time before his support collapses.

As I said in the GOP thread, it won't, because while the broad characteristics of the Thing are the same, they're in reality two ontologically distinct entities. That is to say, Trump wraps himself in the guise of an outsider, not someone who has been cultivated and groomed within the Hill for decades. He may present himself as a billionaire, but ultimately in the eyes of a voter, he's "just a working stiff like me." There's something to be said to that line that every American thinks of themselves as a "temporarily displaced millionaire," and so there is in some sense an identification with Trump in that respect, as a "temporarily displaced millionaire" that's finally made good. Nevermind the fact that he inherited his wealth - that's immaterial here, because: the fact that he rambles incoherently and that he doesn't come with the fancy high-intellectual credentials serves to emphasize this alignment; he didn't go to Harvard or Yale or Georgetown to study law/political science, he didn't intern for a senator or clerk for a judge out of college, and he didn't work in some shady think tank for 5-8 years before starting down that cursus honorum that the vast majority of our politicians follow. The broad-strokes narrative is eminently recognizable as the paradigmatic American dream: go to college, get some money from your parents, "start a business", find success, and then enjoy the fruits of your labor. The narrative works despite the actual facts (he got his degree from an Ivy League, his wealth is inherited, he long-term almost certainly lost money through his business decisions over doing nothing with it and sticking it in indexed funds) because it rings a lot more clearly to people; it reifies the American dream (with just a bit of startup capital anybody can "become a billionaire") as opposed to the cursus honorum of The Hill which paints a picture of a political élite of powerful people using their power and social connections to put their children in lanes that raise them into that same élite class in an ourobouros of political hobnobbing.

The political response, from the élite both in the Republican and Democratic parties serves only to play into this. Their reaction is to attack his credentials (i.e. that he doesn't come from this political élite ourobouros pipeline) and to attack his manner of speech (i.e. that he "sounds dumb" or "incoherent," or else that he says distasteful things). This serves only to focus that social/class dichotomy. It's not a matter of rich versus poor, but a matter of socially élite versus not. It's a classic divide that has long colored American history and culture. On the one hand you have the blue blood élite that go to high-falutin East Coast Universities, attend symphonies, and talks about the latest Economist or New Yorker articleand only really interact with each other. And on the other hand you have everybody else that maybe go to a State school, listen to popular music, and reference Mad Magazine or Looney Tunes or whatever. A member of the everybody else may make a fortune - they may even command more wealth in reality than any of those blue bloods, but they will never be a blue blood because they don't have that pedigree, they don't have those credentials, and they don't have "that taste". All of the democratic criticisms of Trump play into this. The criticisms of his ill-fitting suits, of his garishly decorated apartments, his tacky bombast, his predilections for fast food, his rambling inarticulate diction, this all plays into this dichotomy - it's an ordinary person made good being derided by an élite class for not being one of them - and it serves only to emphasize to ordinary voters that there is a class divide in this country, and that political élite class ("the swamp") will do whatever they can to hammer home this divide and prevent ordinary people from holding any power whatsoever.

This is why the improprieties of Trump and the improprieties of Biden are totally different. Biden is a Washington élite. A senator of 30 years. As such, he presents himself/is presented by association with his party as someone who is of a more refined or distinguished character. He is an élite and is deserving of the esteem that entails. When it comes to light that Biden has used his influence to get his burnout son a cushy job on a corporate board, that emphasizes this class divide again. That ourobouros rears its ugly head (or...tail? :mischief:). It makes it clear that the meritocracy is a lie, and that there's rules for the powerful (political/cultural - not economic - élite) and there's rules for everybody else. When Trump does bad, it looks different because a) Trump doesn't present himself as someone who ought to be held to a higher standard as a Biden or Hillary does, and b) because when Washington points that bad out, it simply comes across as that political élite circling the wagons, as looking down their nose at the boorish normal people, and as conspiring to prevent ordinary people from acquiring any sort of power or say whatsoever. That's the difference.

A big refrain during the 2016 election was that to understand Donald Trump you needed to take him "Seriously" and not "Literally." Which is to say, you had to think about him and his rhetoric more in terms of what he represents at a broader, structural or cultural level. Much was made of this distinction because to Coastal Liberal voters and media, what he said was literally incoherent and nobody could really make sense of why he had and continues to have so much staying power. The answer that the Coastal Liberal voters and media have seemed to settle on with this form of analysis is, essentially, that Trump speaks to racism and "economic anxiety" which resonates with poor voters. But this is still not getting it. This is still trying to take Trump "literally" and not "seriously" by paternalistically looking down one's nose at the boorish poor white who irrationally "fears what he does not understand," and the assumption is that, on the one hand, we need to rehabilitate these people by patronizingly showing them the error of their ways, or else rest smug in the knowledge that Trump will reveal himself as a fraud and his base will turn on him. That's not going to happen, and as long as you (royal You) insist on such a monolectic, superficial (literal) analysis, you will never actually understand Trump, nor his base of support. They aren't dumb. They aren't deluded. And they aren't propped up by some absurd shadowy cabal of Russian GRU operatives. And you (royal you) are never going to truly understand them until you make a genuine dialectic analysis of the structure of American culture and politics. To understand Trump's support you have to not only take Trump "seriously, not literally," but you have to apply the same dialectic analysis to the Democratic (in particular) and Washingtonian (more broadly) establishment as well.

tl;dr: read The Rise of Silas Lapham
 
Long article... I'm reading... So far it does sound like her parents were in a cult.

Finished? Does it sound like she's in a cult yet? If not, read this (much shorter):

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/09/why-is-tulsi-gabbard-paying-this-obscure-consultant-big-bucks/

As I said in the GOP thread, it won't, because while the broad characteristics of the Thing are the same, they're in reality two ontologically distinct entities. That is to say, Trump wraps himself in the guise of an outsider, not someone who has been cultivated and groomed within the Hill for decades. He may present himself as a billionaire, but ultimately in the eyes of a voter, he's "just a working stiff like me." There's something to be said to that line that every American thinks of themselves as a "temporarily displaced millionaire," and so there is in some sense an identification with Trump in that respect, as a "temporarily displaced millionaire" that's finally made good. Nevermind the fact that he inherited his wealth - that's immaterial here, because: the fact that he rambles incoherently and that he doesn't come with the fancy high-intellectual credentials serves to emphasize this alignment; he didn't go to Harvard or Yale or Georgetown to study law/political science, he didn't intern for a senator or clerk for a judge out of college, and he didn't work in some shady think tank for 5-8 years before starting down that cursus honorum that the vast majority of our politicians follow. The broad-strokes narrative is eminently recognizable as the paradigmatic American dream: go to college, get some money from your parents, "start a business", find success, and then enjoy the fruits of your labor. The narrative works despite the actual facts (he got his degree from an Ivy League, his wealth is inherited, he long-term almost certainly lost money through his business decisions over doing nothing with it and sticking it in indexed funds) because it rings a lot more clearly to people; it reifies the American dream (with just a bit of startup capital anybody can "become a billionaire") as opposed to the cursus honorum of The Hill which paints a picture of a political élite of powerful people using their power and social connections to put their children in lanes that raise them into that same élite class in an ourobouros of political hobnobbing.

The political response, from the élite both in the Republican and Democratic parties serves only to play into this. Their reaction is to attack his credentials (i.e. that he doesn't come from this political élite ourobouros pipeline) and to attack his manner of speech (i.e. that he "sounds dumb" or "incoherent," or else that he says distasteful things). This serves only to focus that social/class dichotomy. It's not a matter of rich versus poor, but a matter of socially élite versus not. It's a classic divide that has long colored American history and culture. On the one hand you have the blue blood élite that go to high-falutin East Coast Universities, attend symphonies, and talks about the latest Economist or New Yorker articleand only really interact with each other. And on the other hand you have everybody else that maybe go to a State school, listen to popular music, and reference Mad Magazine or Looney Tunes or whatever. A member of the everybody else may make a fortune - they may even command more wealth in reality than any of those blue bloods, but they will never be a blue blood because they don't have that pedigree, they don't have those credentials, and they don't have "that taste". All of the democratic criticisms of Trump play into this. The criticisms of his ill-fitting suits, of his garishly decorated apartments, his tacky bombast, his predilections for fast food, his rambling inarticulate diction, this all plays into this dichotomy - it's an ordinary person made good being derided by an élite class for not being one of them - and it serves only to emphasize to ordinary voters that there is a class divide in this country, and that political élite class ("the swamp") will do whatever they can to hammer home this divide and prevent ordinary people from holding any power whatsoever.

This is why the improprieties of Trump and the improprieties of Biden are totally different. Biden is a Washington élite. A senator of 30 years. As such, he presents himself/is presented by association with his party as someone who is of a more refined or distinguished character. He is an élite and is deserving of the esteem that entails. When it comes to light that Biden has used his influence to get his burnout son a cushy job on a corporate board, that emphasizes this class divide again. That ourobouros rears its ugly head (or...tail? :mischief:). It makes it clear that the meritocracy is a lie, and that there's rules for the powerful (political/cultural - not economic - élite) and there's rules for everybody else. When Trump does bad, it looks different because a) Trump doesn't present himself as someone who ought to be held to a higher standard as a Biden or Hillary does, and b) because when Washington points that bad out, it simply comes across as that political élite circling the wagons, as looking down their nose at the boorish normal people, and as conspiring to prevent ordinary people from acquiring any sort of power or say whatsoever. That's the difference.

A big refrain during the 2016 election was that to understand Donald Trump you needed to take him "Seriously" and not "Literally." Which is to say, you had to think about him and his rhetoric more in terms of what he represents at a broader, structural or cultural level. Much was made of this distinction because to Coastal Liberal voters and media, what he said was literally incoherent and nobody could really make sense of why he had and continues to have so much staying power. The answer that the Coastal Liberal voters and media have seemed to settle on with this form of analysis is, essentially, that Trump speaks to racism and "economic anxiety" which resonates with poor voters. But this is still not getting it. This is still trying to take Trump "literally" and not "seriously" by paternalistically looking down one's nose at the boorish poor white who irrationally "fears what he does not understand," and the assumption is that, on the one hand, we need to rehabilitate these people by patronizingly showing them the error of their ways, or else rest smug in the knowledge that Trump will reveal himself as a fraud and his base will turn on him. That's not going to happen, and as long as you (royal You) insist on such a monolectic, superficial (literal) analysis, you will never actually understand Trump, nor his base of support. They aren't dumb. They aren't deluded. And they aren't propped up by some absurd shadowy cabal of Russian GRU operatives. And you (royal you) are never going to truly understand them until you make a genuine dialectic analysis of the structure of American culture and politics. To understand Trump's support you have to not only take Trump "seriously, not literally," but you have to apply the same dialectic analysis to the Democratic (in particular) and Washingtonian (more broadly) establishment as well.

tl;dr: read The Rise of Silas Lapham

I agree with most of this (off the top of my head, some Trump supporters are inarguably dumb and deluded but so are many Democrats) but I would emphasize the Trump supporter is reacting to the hollowing-out of life outside the wealthy metro areas. This is a social and economic catastrophe of enormous proportions and should be understood as the most powerful material driver of Trump's victory.

The liberal attitude toward these places is summed up by these two columns by Paul Krugman:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/opinion/the-gamblers-ruin-of-small-cities-wonkish.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/opinion/rural-america-economic-decline.html

They are behind a paywall, so I can summarize: basically, Market Forces have determined that towns and medium-to-small cities are not profitable and that's why they are dying, and moreover this is a good thing and anyone who believes it can be reversed is in a fantasy world while anyone who believes it should be reversed is a hopeless reactionary.

The mainstream media is incapable of understanding any of this because the world occupied by the people who make up the mainstream media is entirely bounded by the affluent metro areas that have done so well out of the last 40 or 50 years of economic growth.

Now consider the effect of 'privilege' discourse on the politics here. Imagine living in a town where you've lost friends to overdoses, where the good-paying jobs were pretty much all gone twenty years ago and show no signs of coming back, where the media speaks to none of this because it is invisible to them because those affluent metro enclaves are the most lucrative media markets and the people who read the news on tv all come from and live in these places anyway. Imagine being told that you are more privileged than someone like Hillary Clinton purely on the basis of her identity as a woman and your identity as a white man.

This would, to put it mildly, piss me off.
 
I agree with most of this (off the top of my head, some Trump supporters are inarguably dumb and deluded but so are many Democrats) but I would emphasize the Trump supporter is reacting to the hollowing-out of life outside the wealthy metro areas. This is a social and economic catastrophe of enormous proportions and should be understood as the most powerful material driver of Trump's victory.

Yeah, this is all correct. I meant "dumb and deluded," more in the way that it's prototypically framed by Washington, the Think Tanks and the (usually liberal) Media that comprise that political elite class; viz. that they "don't understand" and are "voting against their own interests" and therefore the solution is for us to paternalistically "make them see why they're misguided," as seen, e.g. in the Trump safaris that were really popular post-2016. It's the same reason why Hillary pissed so many people off.*

*aside from the decades-long smear campaign and underlying sexist culture/political discourse which are undoubtedly there but, to my mind, are largely supplemental facets which serve to emphasize the underlying cause, rather than existing as the cause per se.

Mark Blyth presents a compelling narrative for this phenomenon:

(longer more data-substantiated version of this):
 
I love how Owen uses Latin borrowings to emphasise the fact that the US government and political class is (traditionally) a mostly self-contained, self-perpetuating oligarchic republic… and then does a Sommerswerd and makes up a ‘royal you’ thing that should have him executed for crimes against grammar but is also a demonstration by analogy of the kind of incoherent rambling that Donald Trump does which resonates with his target electorate (i.e. Sommerswerd) and throws onlookers (in this case me) into a rage. :clap:

edit: it is also completely shameful that CFC has still not implemented the bow smiley used in so many other fora, which is why i've had to settle for the clap graphic instead.
 
A big refrain during the 2016 election was that to understand Donald Trump you needed to take him "Seriously" and not "Literally." Which is to say, you had to think about him and his rhetoric more in terms of what he represents at a broader, structural or cultural level. Much was made of this distinction because to Coastal Liberal voters and media, what he said was literally incoherent and nobody could really make sense of why he had and continues to have so much staying power. The answer that the Coastal Liberal voters and media have seemed to settle on with this form of analysis is, essentially, that Trump speaks to racism and "economic anxiety" which resonates with poor voters. But this is still not getting it. This is still trying to take Trump "literally" and not "seriously" by paternalistically looking down one's nose at the boorish poor white who irrationally "fears what he does not understand," and the assumption is that, on the one hand, we need to rehabilitate these people by patronizingly showing them the error of their ways, or else rest smug in the knowledge that Trump will reveal himself as a fraud and his base will turn on him. That's not going to happen, and as long as you (royal You) insist on such a monolectic, superficial (literal) analysis, you will never actually understand Trump, nor his base of support. They aren't dumb. They aren't deluded. And they aren't propped up by some absurd shadowy cabal of Russian GRU operatives. And you (royal you) are never going to truly understand them until you make a genuine dialectic analysis of the structure of American culture and politics. To understand Trump's support you have to not only take Trump "seriously, not literally," but you have to apply the same dialectic analysis to the Democratic (in particular) and Washingtonian (more broadly) establishment as well.
It's not clear to me what this is really adding beyond what a lot of costal liberals already think and know. Everyone knows Trump's a populist and populism resonates with people because it contrasts with the smugness of the financial or political elite. At a recent rally Trump told his crowd something like: "Washington elites? What Washington elites? We're the elites!" Is that some great enigma to coastal liberals? I guess a lot of them. But to savvy consumers of political news, journalists, or politicians? I doubt it. It's not like most American politicians since forever (notably not Hillary) haven't tried to capitalize on outsider/common man appeal. And now we see pretty much every Democratic 2020 candidate targeting the interests of these voters and trying to present themselves as something better, new, and outside the elite.

Anyway, some wonder, why is populism especially accentuated now? What is Trump adding at the margin? Why does it have more staying power in this particular historical moment? And then the usual suspects are introduced: rightwing reaction, racism, economic anxiety/frustration with capitalism, and so on. Or is it just that Trump's unusually effective at pulling off the "I'm just like you" thing? But does that not resonate with people right now for some particular reason? And does that not incorporate strong elements of sexism/racism (because most middle aged white guys from Michigan are sexist and racist and social "progress" is always greeted by many as some burden foisted upon the everyman by elites/academics)?
 
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As I said in the GOP thread, it won't, because while the broad characteristics of the Thing are the same, they're in reality two ontologically distinct entities. That is to say, Trump wraps himself in the guise of an outsider, not someone who has been cultivated and groomed within the Hill for decades. He may present himself as a billionaire, but ultimately in the eyes of a voter, he's "just a working stiff like me." There's something to be said to that line that every American thinks of themselves as a "temporarily displaced millionaire," and so there is in some sense an identification with Trump in that respect, as a "temporarily displaced millionaire" that's finally made good. Nevermind the fact that he inherited his wealth - that's immaterial here, because: the fact that he rambles incoherently and that he doesn't come with the fancy high-intellectual credentials serves to emphasize this alignment; he didn't go to Harvard or Yale or Georgetown to study law/political science, he didn't intern for a senator or clerk for a judge out of college, and he didn't work in some shady think tank for 5-8 years before starting down that cursus honorum that the vast majority of our politicians follow. The broad-strokes narrative is eminently recognizable as the paradigmatic American dream: go to college, get some money from your parents, "start a business", find success, and then enjoy the fruits of your labor. The narrative works despite the actual facts (he got his degree from an Ivy League, his wealth is inherited, he long-term almost certainly lost money through his business decisions over doing nothing with it and sticking it in indexed funds) because it rings a lot more clearly to people; it reifies the American dream (with just a bit of startup capital anybody can "become a billionaire") as opposed to the cursus honorum of The Hill which paints a picture of a political élite of powerful people using their power and social connections to put their children in lanes that raise them into that same élite class in an ourobouros of political hobnobbing.

The political response, from the élite both in the Republican and Democratic parties serves only to play into this. Their reaction is to attack his credentials (i.e. that he doesn't come from this political élite ourobouros pipeline) and to attack his manner of speech (i.e. that he "sounds dumb" or "incoherent," or else that he says distasteful things). This serves only to focus that social/class dichotomy. It's not a matter of rich versus poor, but a matter of socially élite versus not. It's a classic divide that has long colored American history and culture. On the one hand you have the blue blood élite that go to high-falutin East Coast Universities, attend symphonies, and talks about the latest Economist or New Yorker articleand only really interact with each other. And on the other hand you have everybody else that maybe go to a State school, listen to popular music, and reference Mad Magazine or Looney Tunes or whatever. A member of the everybody else may make a fortune - they may even command more wealth in reality than any of those blue bloods, but they will never be a blue blood because they don't have that pedigree, they don't have those credentials, and they don't have "that taste". All of the democratic criticisms of Trump play into this. The criticisms of his ill-fitting suits, of his garishly decorated apartments, his tacky bombast, his predilections for fast food, his rambling inarticulate diction, this all plays into this dichotomy - it's an ordinary person made good being derided by an élite class for not being one of them - and it serves only to emphasize to ordinary voters that there is a class divide in this country, and that political élite class ("the swamp") will do whatever they can to hammer home this divide and prevent ordinary people from holding any power whatsoever.

This is why the improprieties of Trump and the improprieties of Biden are totally different. Biden is a Washington élite. A senator of 30 years. As such, he presents himself/is presented by association with his party as someone who is of a more refined or distinguished character. He is an élite and is deserving of the esteem that entails. When it comes to light that Biden has used his influence to get his burnout son a cushy job on a corporate board, that emphasizes this class divide again. That ourobouros rears its ugly head (or...tail? :mischief:). It makes it clear that the meritocracy is a lie, and that there's rules for the powerful (political/cultural - not economic - élite) and there's rules for everybody else. When Trump does bad, it looks different because a) Trump doesn't present himself as someone who ought to be held to a higher standard as a Biden or Hillary does, and b) because when Washington points that bad out, it simply comes across as that political élite circling the wagons, as looking down their nose at the boorish normal people, and as conspiring to prevent ordinary people from acquiring any sort of power or say whatsoever. That's the difference.

A big refrain during the 2016 election was that to understand Donald Trump you needed to take him "Seriously" and not "Literally." Which is to say, you had to think about him and his rhetoric more in terms of what he represents at a broader, structural or cultural level. Much was made of this distinction because to Coastal Liberal voters and media, what he said was literally incoherent and nobody could really make sense of why he had and continues to have so much staying power. The answer that the Coastal Liberal voters and media have seemed to settle on with this form of analysis is, essentially, that Trump speaks to racism and "economic anxiety" which resonates with poor voters. But this is still not getting it. This is still trying to take Trump "literally" and not "seriously" by paternalistically looking down one's nose at the boorish poor white who irrationally "fears what he does not understand," and the assumption is that, on the one hand, we need to rehabilitate these people by patronizingly showing them the error of their ways, or else rest smug in the knowledge that Trump will reveal himself as a fraud and his base will turn on him. That's not going to happen, and as long as you (royal You) insist on such a monolectic, superficial (literal) analysis, you will never actually understand Trump, nor his base of support. They aren't dumb. They aren't deluded. And they aren't propped up by some absurd shadowy cabal of Russian GRU operatives. And you (royal you) are never going to truly understand them until you make a genuine dialectic analysis of the structure of American culture and politics. To understand Trump's support you have to not only take Trump "seriously, not literally," but you have to apply the same dialectic analysis to the Democratic (in particular) and Washingtonian (more broadly) establishment as well.

tl;dr: read The Rise of Silas Lapham

This.
 
So the invasion and subsequent collapse of Iraq would have just happened on its own. Are you being serious here?

The collapse of Iraq under Saddam was baked into the cake well before we invaded.
 
Market Forces have determined that towns and medium-to-small cities are not profitable and that's why they are dying, and moreover this is a good thing and anyone who believes it can be reversed is in a fantasy world while anyone who believes it should be reversed is a hopeless reactionary.

Here's the problem. It doesn't really matter if it is a "good thing," and it doesn't really matter what we call the people who think that reversing it "should be done" IF it is true that "anyone who believes it can be reversed is living in a fantasy world." And that may very well be true.

"I don't have all the benefits that people who have moved to the big metro areas have," is, in fact, one of those complaints that has a glaringly obvious response; so move. That glaringly obvious response has been widely followed by young people for a couple generations, leaving a population that may be "reactionary," but is most assuredly tilting further and further towards the older demographics that are more commonly associated with reactionary thinking. That is not going to change without some sort of outright force applied towards making people stay in Sticksburg even when they clearly do not want to.
 
Life isn't, and never will be, great for everyone all the time. If people can move to the cities where life is better, they should move to the cities where life is better.

I recently heard about some reinvestment effort in some podunk town where they were retraining manufacturing workers for new skills. Dozens of people took courses to train for some new job in the area. And only ~1 of them got a new job doing that thing, with the rest having wasted their time and wasted tax payer money. The ones who said screw this and moved to the city faired better.
 
I recently heard about some reinvestment effort in some podunk town where they were retraining manufacturing workers for new skills.
There's a podunk town in Sicily selling houses for $1. Beautiful scenery but there's no mention of electricity, plumbing or sewers. :dubious:

I was watching Castro on CNN today. I couldn't help but think that if he is elected President, he and his twin brother could wreak havoc on the Secret Service. :run::run:
 
Life isn't, and never will be, great for everyone all the time. If people can move to the cities where life is better, they should move to the cities where life is better.

I recently heard about some reinvestment effort in some podunk town where they were retraining manufacturing workers for new skills. Dozens of people took courses to train for some new job in the area. And only ~1 of them got a new job doing that thing, with the rest having wasted their time and wasted tax payer money. The ones who said screw this and moved to the city faired better.
There is a big effort to bring jobs to rural America and stem the population drain. The only way that will work is through having a skilled workforce there, but most of those with the skills don't want a rural lifestyle (except as a vacation home). The 300 year trend of urbanization will continue. Probably the most promising way to support rural lifestyle and small towns is to recruit upper middle class retirees to your area. They don't need jobs and are living off SS and retirement funds. But to get them you need fast internet, good healthcare facilities and cool stuff to do: Amenities for retirees. Typically, that means warmer and not too much snow. Millions of Boomers are awaiting your town's sales pitch!
 
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