2020 US Election (Part One)

[Lexicus]

He lied about the attack, is what I'm referencing. It was done to death in the other thread, and no minds were changed. I mean, you've already decided he didn't lie because "he seemed honest" to you. That's not evidence. That's your feelings, based on watching some dude you don't know on a monitor

Friendly reminder that Andy Ngo also doxxed a bunch of people who then showed up on a literal Atomwaffen death list.

 

[Gorbles]

I'm honestly trying to avoid keeping tabs whatever (damaging) grift he's pulling at the moment. Same for most of the usual alt-right and far-right actors. It's taking up enough of my spare time just to follow the absolute hilarity that is both mainstream US and UK politics right now. It's amazing, really. Both countries are well into their election cycle (however shorter the UK's is), but both also have actual ongoing problems in the ruling administration that simultaneously occupy so much of the media cycle, but also (to date) have resulted in absolutely nothing in terms of real change.

Did I say "amazing"? I meant depressing

 

[Lexicus]

There is no point in paying much attention to him. For the record, I am fine with the law containing the containment...someone hitting Andy Ngo in the head hard enough to turn him into a vegetable and then getting charged with the appropriate crime is a sequence of events I can accept.

 

[Berzerker]

He lied about the attack, is what I'm referencing. It was done to death in the other thread, and no minds were changed. I mean, you've already decided he didn't lie because "he seemed honest" to you. That's not evidence. That's your feelings, based on watching some dude you don't know on a monitor

What was the lie? I saw video of him being attacked and I saw him address some of the accusations against him on Joe Rogan

Friendly reminder that Andy Ngo also doxxed a bunch of people who then showed up on a literal Atomwaffen death list.

Was that before or after Antifa nearly killed him?

There is no point in paying much attention to him. For the record, I am fine with the law containing the containment...someone hitting Andy Ngo in the head hard enough to turn him into a vegetable and then getting charged with the appropriate crime is a sequence of events I can accept.

Well, do you want to purge the fascists or prosecute the purgers?

 

[Gorbles]

What was the lie? I saw video of him being attacked and I saw him address some of the accusations against him on Joe Rogan

He was attacked. There is no evidence that it was "antifa", given that not all leftists identify as "antifa" and "disliking Andy Ngo" doesn't even make you a leftist or "antifa" by default.

He also wasn't "nearly killed". This, again, is not factual.

As much as I like endless derails, I don't particularly want to get into this considering you've said you already take him at his word. There's literally nothing I can do to change your mind on that particular belief. You believe he's trustworthy, for some reason. A stranger on the Internet ain't going to have a chance at changing that, nomatter what I link.

 

[Dekker]

@Patine loves to hear himself speak and doesn't honestly engage discussions. Also I long learned it is not worth listening to the blather of someone who cries about censorship and slander yet more than once targetted others and called them mentally unwell as his only response to their arguments showing he had no proper ability to counter, which explains the ranting and raving. Also his posting, and the main thing he posts about, is telling what kind of person he is. Heck if I was Patine I'd be scared about the kind of world that would come to be if people like him had their way, but I am, uh, rational, and recognize he just needs to be shrill.

 

[Berzerker]

He was attacked. There is no evidence that it was "antifa", given that not all leftists identify as "antifa" and "disliking Andy Ngo" doesn't even make you a leftist or "antifa" by default.

He also wasn't "nearly killed". This, again, is not factual.

As much as I like endless derails, I don't particularly want to get into this considering you've said you already take him at his word. There's literally nothing I can do to change your mind on that particular belief. You believe he's trustworthy, for some reason. A stranger on the Internet ain't going to have a chance at changing that, nomatter what I link.

He was attacked at an Antifa counter protest but there's no evidence he was attacked by Antifa? He took a big enough blow to the head to cause brain damage, I guess we'll just have to disagree on what nearly killed means but all I have is his word. You haven't given me reason to not believe him. Try linking the truth. You said he lied about being attacked, how so?

 

[Lexicus]

He took a big enough blow to the head to cause brain damage

Oh what garbage. He didn't have brain damage. He had a bruise and a few scratches.

 

[Gorbles]

He was attacked at an Antifa counter protest but there's no evidence he was attacked by Antifa? He took a big enough blow to the head to cause brain damage, I guess we'll just have to disagree on what nearly killed means but all I have is his word. You haven't given me reason to not believe him. Try linking the truth. You said he lied about being attacked, how so?

Because it was claimed to be "antifa". You're big on evidence, which is weird here because you're literally just accepting whatever claims somebody who was involved in a rally, and had a vested political interest in said rally, are making.

Listen, you want to take the dude at his word, fine by me. Just strikes me as odd considering you don't know the guy, and you evidently haven't bothered to look up literally any coverage of the issue. And that's a pretty "neutra" link on the topic. Mainstream, tries to show "both sides", etc. I'd link the Jacobin but I have a feeling you'd distrust it because it's the Jacobin (not that I'm super keen on linking that outlet myself, but hey).

 

[Berzerker]

Oh what garbage. He didn't have brain damage. He had a bruise and a few scratches.

He described neurological damage on Joe Rogan. "Nearly killed" may overstate it, but people die from severe blows to the head.

Because it was claimed to be "antifa". You're big on evidence, which is weird here because you're literally just accepting whatever claims somebody who was involved in a rally, and had a vested political interest in said rally, are making.

Listen, you want to take the dude at his word, fine by me. Just strikes me as odd considering you don't know the guy, and you evidently haven't bothered to look up literally any coverage of the issue. And that's a pretty "neutra" link on the topic. Mainstream, tries to show "both sides", etc. I'd link the Jacobin but I have a feeling you'd distrust it because it's the Jacobin (not that I'm super keen on linking that outlet myself, but hey).

I'm more or less familiar with his politics, I dont know why that matters. If neo-Nazis were beating up left wing journalists I'd still be on the journalist's side. I saw the video, it was an Antifa counter protest. Do you think its evidence he wasn't attacked by Antifa?

 

[Lexicus]

He described neurological damage on Joe Rogan. "Nearly killed" may overstate it, but people die from severe blows to the head.

He is a known liar and there is no corroborating evidence that anything he said is true.

If neo-Nazis were beating up left wing journalists I'd still be on the journalist's side.

Yet, when the Trump administration attacks journalists you take the Trump administration's side. Odd, that.

 

[Gorbles]

He described neurological damage on Joe Rogan. "Nearly killed" may overstate it, but people die from severe blows to the head.

I'm more or less familiar with his politics, I dont know why that matters. If neo-Nazis were beating up left wing journalists I'd still be on the journalist's side. I saw the video, it was an Antifa counter protest. Do you think its evidence he wasn't attacked by Antifa?

1. He described a brain haemmorhage, for which they kept him . . . for one night in a hospital. Allegedly.
2. He helped spread misinformation about cement mixed into counter-protestors milkshakes, which is physically impossible as noted by people familiar with quick-drying cement (it doesn't work mixed with milkshake, basically).
3. It's an assumption. It could well have been, but it also might not have. It was explicitly tied to "antifa" to criticise that movement - it wasn't tied to "antifa" because it was factually correct. As a journalist, Ngo should be well aware of the problems in being too quick to assume cause.

But it doesn't matter, I've provided a link. You're free to read it, and I don't want to derail the US politics thread any further with Ngo.

 

[Berzerker]

He is a known liar and there is no corroborating evidence that anything he said is true.

Yet, when the Trump administration attacks journalists you take the Trump administration's side. Odd, that.

I dont know that he's a liar and we have a video of the attack. When did I take Trump's side attacking journalists?

1. He described a brain haemmorhage, for which they kept him . . . for one night in a hospital. Allegedly.
2. He helped spread misinformation about cement mixed into counter-protestors milkshakes, which is physically impossible as noted by people familiar with quick-drying cement (it doesn't work mixed with milkshake, basically).
3. It's an assumption. It could well have been, but it also might not have. It was explicitly tied to "antifa" to criticise that movement - it wasn't tied to "antifa" because it was factually correct. As a journalist, Ngo should be well aware of the problems in being too quick to assume cause.

But it doesn't matter, I've provided a link. You're free to read it, and I don't want to derail the US politics thread any further with Ngo.

I saw him on Rogan, he was still suffering neurological problems. I read your link, they dont like his politics. So what? Do you have any news reports claiming it was just some liberals unrelated to Antifa who attacked him? If you dont want to talk about this, thats fine by me.

 

[Gorbles]

I saw him on Rogan, he was still suffering neurological problems. I read your link, they dont like his politics. So what? Do you have any news reports claiming it was just some liberals unrelated to Antifa who attacked him? If you dont want to talk about this, thats fine by me.

The link explicitly points out there is no evidence that it was "antifa" who made the attack. I can't force you to believe it, but I've given you what you asked for.

 

[Berzerker]

The link explicitly points out there is no evidence that it was "antifa" who made the attack. I can't force you to believe it, but I've given you what you asked for.

From your link:

We don’t yet have proof that the people who assaulted Ngo were antifa members (though it seems likely given their history).

The article goes on to presume it was Antifa, apparently they believe it too.

 

[AmazonQueen]

From your link:



The article goes on to presume it was Antifa, apparently they believe it too.

They think it was likely but there is no proof. You do understand the concept of proof don't you.

 

[Berzerker]

Yes... and I understand the concept of evidence. Do you see the word 'evidence' in Gorbles post?

The link explicitly points out there is no evidence

He's wrong. And based on the evidence the article's author thinks Antifa attacked him.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Yes... and I understand the concept of evidence. Do you see the word 'evidence' in Gorbles post?



He's wrong. And based on the evidence the article's author thinks Antifa attacked him.

You obviously don't. Opinion is not evidence.
Did Ngo make a complaint to the police about the alleged attack and if so how is the investigation going? Why hasn't he released details about the hospital where he claims to have received treatment?

 

[Zardnaar]

Main point is you shouldn't be assaulting journalist's or anyone really.

When people get attacked on the streets doesn't tend to end well.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Main point is you shouldn't be assaulting journalist's or anyone really.

When people get attacked on the streets doesn't tend to end well.

Main point is Berzerker is taking the side of a "journalist" who hangs around with gangs who attack people on the streets then complains when he gets attacked.